Tier Discussion (NXD-XY)

Discussion in 'Competitive Deck Discussion' started by cabd, Feb 9, 2014.

  1. stmlacek1

    stmlacek1 rouge specialist

    riachu dugtrio can have leafeon to handle keldo EX
  2. Professor_N

    Professor_N Well-Known Member

    Reason I felt the need to ask is because I've seen some people using Heatran in TDK to do better vs. Genesect. But I know there has been chat about running Palkia EX in Lugia/Snorlax builds as a tech.
  3. Reshiphlosion

    Reshiphlosion The Swarm

    Okay so from the results we have here it looks like the main decks to watch out for are Fairy variants, Plasma decks, and Darkrai (or Yveltal) variants. Hopefully the upcoming tournaments will produce similar results, although I do find it weird that there's an apparent lack of Blastoise so far...
  4. JR_nathan

    JR_nathan Mr.3 Rings Himself

    Yeah, a lack of Blastoise but a surplus of RayBoar.
  5. Reshiphlosion

    Reshiphlosion The Swarm

    I actually haven't seen a lot Rayboar either. (Both in testing and according to these results.) Although it would make sense that it's more popular since Rayquaza EX is easier to stream than Black Kyurem EX and would have an advantage in the Blastoise vs Rayboar match.
  6. Professor_N

    Professor_N Well-Known Member

    RayBoar was played to death at Regionals. At least in Florida. So we can assume it will still be played at States.
  7. Reshiphlosion

    Reshiphlosion The Swarm

    Oh yeah I'm not saying that it wont be popular, in fact I think that it will make a strong showing in the upcoming months. I'm just saying that I haven't seen much of it on a personal level and the few LC/CC results that we possess have been reflecting that as well. Especially with all the recent hype around cards like Greninja or Yveltal.
  8. Professor_N

    Professor_N Well-Known Member

    I actually haven't seen anyone hype Greninja at all. But Yveltal has gotten all the hype it can handle.
  9. Reshiphlosion

    Reshiphlosion The Swarm

    Really? That's pretty interesting, a couple weeks ago if I tried to do any testing online the only thing I would run into are poorly made Greninja decks. Maybe it's hype has already died out... :p
  10. Professor_N

    Professor_N Well-Known Member

    Well I don't play at all online. I heard that a few weeks ago all you could ever see on PTCGO was Klinklang/Cobalion/Aromatisse. Only one person in my area played that deck so I wouldn't have called it "hyped." Only time I think something is hyped is when multiple people talk about it often or multiple people are playing it often.
  11. Otaku

    Otaku Well-Known Member

    ...or maybe the people who have figured out "good" builds are just keeping it on the down low? I can't help but think of watching guys like Pooka demonstrating a deck on Youtube, and constantly wondering why a player better than myself would run the Pokémon/deck that way... note that doesn't include areas where such a player is obviously running it "better" than I would. XD It is those moments where you go "I get that its Bad Deck Monday, but why take that approach to the deck?".

    Not to end ambiguously again, but most of they hype for the set seems to have narrowed to Fairy Transfer (mostly Toolbox) and running Yveltal EX where ever you can reasonably accommodate it.
  12. Reshiphlosion

    Reshiphlosion The Swarm

    I agree that Yveltal EX and Fairybox have been getting a lot of hype. Greninja's hype seems to have died out too, or at least most of the poorly built ones are gone and the good builds aren't commonly used online like Otaku said. I haven't gotten a chance to do a lot of testing offline recently, my old play testing partner moved off to college and I haven't been able to attend the local league in awhile. So I only have online results to speak of for the most part, at least for now anyways. It's not ideal for sure but it's better than nothing...
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2014
  13. ShinyEevee

    ShinyEevee The not so shiny

    I don't play online that much but when I do I usually seem to see mostly the top tier things. Waterpony, Darkness are the most common. But for a while I was playing almost 50% of my matches against fairy decks. I haven't lost yet to a fairy deck but they aren't bad. I just don't think many online players have a fully functional understanding of what they need to add to make it good. Strait fairy is fun and (IMHO) probably tier 2 or maybe even 3. Fairy box, which I have only played against once, would be a solid tier 2 once they get the answers down pat and a skilled player behind it.

    I may be wrong.
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  14. baby_mario

    baby_mario Doesn't even care Staff Member

    ^ I think that's fair assessment.

    I couldn't get a game on playtcg against a non Fairy deck for about a week after XY released.
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  15. PokemonGeek

    PokemonGeek Derp, Derp, Derpity Derp

    Is Empoleon really classed as tier two? I thought it had moved down. Anyways, is Darkrai Dusknoir worthy of tier 2/3 status
  16. Professor_N

    Professor_N Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure Empoleon simply hasn't been played that often at recent tournaments. Or at least hasn't been heard of being played. The deck is still strong though.
  17. Salamencetrainer34

    Salamencetrainer34 An ogre-achiever

    It got 25th place at states last week in IL I think. I think its good, but not as good. As for Darkrai/Dusknoir, lets see the results of @Vablakes states. Which he will win.
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  18. Roguechomp

    Roguechomp Active Member

    Darkness/Dusknoir should not be less than tier 2. I've tested it, and it really can go head to head vs. any deck, Dusknoir is just that powerful. Empoleon is dead. Yeah sure, it can get one mediocre placement every now and then, but the format has been working out of its favor. Thundursus, Raichu, Lugia, and Fairies give it a lot of trouble, and minus those matchups, most other decks can beat it because it isn't fast either. I don't expect it over tier 3. People aren't playing it for a reason. IMO these are tiers (no order).

    Tier 1:
    Yeti
    Darkrai/Yvetal/stuff (garb or no garb)
    Blastoise
    RayBoar

    Tier 1.5:
    VirGen
    Aromatisse Variants
    Trevenant/Accelgor
    Palkia Variants

    Tier 2:
    Less common Darkrai Variants (dusknoir)
    Big Basics garb variants
    Tool drop
    Flareon variants
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  19. baby_mario

    baby_mario Doesn't even care Staff Member

    Don't see the point in 'tier 1.5'. We don't have a label for that and won't be getting one. Just call it 'tier 2'.

    As I explained in the Forum sticky, the tier 2 (or even 3) label doesn't mean that the deck has no chance of winning, just that it is not as popular/successful as the stuff in tier 1.
  20. MetalArmedAngel

    MetalArmedAngel My lovely Luka ♥♥

    Well, garb is something that can change based on meta. If people decide to reduce scrapper or cut altogether then Garb becomes tier 1. Next tournament though, your mom is going to run 2+ tool scrapper