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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339406775 Matthew Riddle

    Bellossom LA was an interesting card last format, and I know of one friend that did decently with it at a battle road. Vileplume only makes the evolution line better and with Spiritomb added, I could see it being an interesting deck.

  • jumpluff44

    great idea would you attack with vileplume?

  • chrataxe

    This is getting some hype….we'll have to see how it all plays out.

    But, I would like to point out, OHKO'ing Vileplume is relativity easy with DCE and Uxie X, 2 cards just about EVERYONE is going to be playing. Of course, this only works well with cards that allow an easy switch to the active, like Luxray or Pokemon Reversal, or even the new Muk, its a Psychic and allows you to switch the active with a benched and they are poisoned and confused and can hit Vileplume pretty good with weakness.

    Of course, I run Dialga G, lol, I so I don't sweat it. I didn't know this card was coming as I don't keep up with the japanese sets, but I had a feeling Drifblim FB was about to come veeeery popular. Drifblim FB is Psychic and snipes the bench and weakness counts when he hits the bench. It only does 80 to Vileplume with weakness, but has 120 HP late game, is SP, sets up quick, and probably won't be OHKO'ed in return, so I think it has some potential. With Vileplume and the lake trio sticking around, looks like my hunch may be correct…

  • Slowdog

    Would you then run no trainers yourself (expecting to keep a trainer lock the entire game)?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZETUB3TM3ZC4KJULZ4PYPEJR7I Tony

    There are definitely some risks to KO Vileplume if it is active; however, I think that most are going to keep it on the bench which makes it really difficult to KO, especially with 120 HP.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZETUB3TM3ZC4KJULZ4PYPEJR7I Tony

    I wouldn't attack with Vileplume as it's not that great and you want to keep Vileplume in play as long as possible, so bringing it into the active position risks it being knocked out. Maybe as a last resort, but I would avoid using it as an attacker.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZETUB3TM3ZC4KJULZ4PYPEJR7I Tony

    Great question! I have tested with Rare Candies and a few trainers which does help the initial setup, but the problem is that the trainers become hand garbage once you get Vileplume going. I have found that there seems to be 1-2 turns in which you can ideally play Trainers which is after retreating Spritomb or after Spiritomb is KOed and before Vileplume is set up. I'd love to hear some feedback from others on this subject.

  • Pikey

    Rather than Gengar you could try the new Mismagius.

    Attacks with Poltergeist for the exact same cost and effect. Without being able to rare candy etc, it would be a faster play than finding out another stage 2.

  • PKMNPrime

    This was an amazing article. Me and my friends just yesterday were considering Vileplume strategies and how hard it's going to affect the current format, so it was a great surprise when I loaded 6P to see this article on here :)

    Very well written, and extremely informative. Good job.

  • chrataxe

    That is why I put in the qualifier: ” Of course, this only works well with cards that allow an easy switch to the active, like Luxray or Pokemon Reversal, or even the new Muk.”

    And, that is also why I pointed out that Driblim FB snipes the bench and weakness counts on its snipe, and Driblim hits for Vileplume's weakness. Yeah, it will take 2 shots to take it down, but if the whole objective of the deck is to keep a trainer lock, an early KO of Vileplume means pretty much autoloss b/c 'tomb is easy to get around.

  • Dudedude22

    a good idea would be the new vespiquen. it protects grass bench pokemon, it has 10 more hp then manectric, its only good if your running a grass deck.

  • Nerdstar_ink

    Modern Age “Haymaker” might make a comeback… Haha I doubt it though. It would be funny if someone did build that archetype and just flat out own people…

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    I think Gengar is going to be one of the best partners for Vileplume because of the Lv.X… it makes Dialga G Lv.X pretty much a non-counter.

    Awesome article, this will be a relevant reading for quite a while. :)

  • mewuk85

    This was one of the best articles yet. Thanks for the submission! The new cards are nice in all, but I yet to see something like Rosanne’s and night maintenance. I know we have collector and palmers. but those arnt even close…….I have a feeling that Jwittz is right about the format being slow and a little bland.

    What do you guys think?

  • Wjfowjeof

    Oh, it definitely will, but keep in mind that the Dialga player can stockpile power spray specifically for the Level Down.

  • El_jonaman

    what if you were to run regice to discard those trainers and turn them into something useful after you get the lock started

  • hgssprime

    I think the Vespiquen from Undaunted would be a good tech. It protects all your benched grass pokemon and with it and Vileplum they would have to take out Vespiquen before taking out Vilplume which would lock your opponent longer. Thats just my opinion

  • jumpluff44

    thats does make since now that i think about it!

  • blooper785

    i think of this as a fricking awsome strategy, run vileplume, spiritomb and cherrim Sf and you have a trainer locking beatdown deck. or if you want there so many combos it isnt funny ohh i cant wait till it comes out.

  • blooper785

    Gengar is good but the mismagious is easier to play

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZETUB3TM3ZC4KJULZ4PYPEJR7I Tony

    I think you are right that running a discard tech Pokemon is going to be helpful in many decks, including a VileTomb deck. However, I would probably choose another tech besides Regice due to its high attack/retreat cost. With the VileTomb lock on, your opponent could drag Regice up with a Blaziken FB Luring Flame or something like that and leave you in a tough spot.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZETUB3TM3ZC4KJULZ4PYPEJR7I Tony

    I agree with you that there doesn't seem to be anything revolutionary in this set. I thought the Legendary Pokemon were a great idea, but they didn't get the same trainer/supporter back-up that the SP lines did. It'll be interesting to see what comes after the Legend series.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZETUB3TM3ZC4KJULZ4PYPEJR7I Tony

    I agree- Vespiqueen is a great option with this deck as are several grass types like Sunflora HGSS and Metapod HGSS. Also, you could run the Vespiqueen from Stormfront which would be a great card to pull up if you are using Spiritomb to set up and it is knocked out.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZETUB3TM3ZC4KJULZ4PYPEJR7I Tony

    Adam, I think you are right- it's such a great combo! The challenge is going to be finding an engine to run with it, but maybe uxie and lv x would work well. I see that as one of the main challenges for the Viletomb lock though- finding a way to keep your hand fresh. If only we had Claydol…

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZETUB3TM3ZC4KJULZ4PYPEJR7I Tony

    I'm honestly torn between Mismagius and Gengar. Like you note, it is so much quicker to set up a Stage 1, but Gengar has so many great advantages with Feinting Spell, Level X, and its Shadow Room attack.

  • mewuk85

    Totally! The only thing I have liked about the legends is the art work. Primes are awesome, have the same strengths and powers like Lv.X but you can play them on your bench :)

    So after HG/SS I’m guessing it will be “Pokemon Black & White” cards?????

    Pokemon seem's to come out with cards when games come out.

  • pikkdogs

    boom goes the dynamite.

    Awesopme idea Adam.

  • Walrus

    makes for a great poltergeist :)

  • http://twitter.com/GTP24 Poteet24

    Combo-ing Tomb and Plume will be more common I think then I want, but I think its going to only be ehh after BRs. Also Ghastly's attack is Pitch Dark, not Pick Dark

  • jahikoi

    The gastly's attack is Pitch Dark, not pick dark; under the synergy section.

  • jahikoi

    Also, Flygon Lv X would do well with spiritomb, being able to knock out stuff easily.

  • mewuk85

    old vileplume 80hp new vileplume 120hp nice!!!! the old oddish 50 hp new 40hp…….. its BS…. IMO,,, Lol

  • SkyAoiSora

    Epic. Wonderful. I love you. My Cursegar Deck is just about to get better. :D

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZETUB3TM3ZC4KJULZ4PYPEJR7I Tony

    yeah- go figure! I guess that way they figure you have to buy cards from both sets and keep spreading the joy

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Majik-Gonzales/100000751742051 Majik Gonzales

    ok i made a deck using this and to let u know i only tried it out on the Glisc/tomb deck so heres the list
    Pokemon
    3. Oddish. UD
    2. Gloom. UD
    2. Vileplume. UD
    1. Nincada. LA
    1. Ninjask. cast-off shell
    1. Shedinja. marvel shell
    3. Cherubi. any
    3. Cherrim. 2 of them cloudy sky AR and 1 of them sunny heal UL
    3. Spiritomb. AR
    3. Unown Q. MD
    2. Mime Jr. SV
    1. Mr. Mime. MD
    3. Gastly. SF
    2. Haunter. SF
    2. Gengar. poltergeist
    T/T/S
    2. Professor Oak’s Visit
    2. Bebe’s Search
    2. Palmer’s Contribution
    2. Engineer’s Adjustments
    1. Flower Shop Lady
    1. Cynthia’s Guidance
    1. Volkner’s Philosophy
    1. Marley’s Request
    1. Looker’s Investigation
    Energy
    3. Multi
    7. Psychic
    7. Grass
    and if u have any new ideas plz tell me them cuzz i want to make this my best deck

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZETUB3TM3ZC4KJULZ4PYPEJR7I Tony

    wow- not quite sure where to start, but this deck list needs a lot of work. The main thing is to get more consistent- you need fewer choices in pokemon and supporters.

    If playing VileTomb with Gengar, I would suggest you go over to Pokegym and check out their decklists. Good luck!

  • Monroe Arzilli

    Ariana Ramire

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Majik-Gonzales/100000751742051 Majik Gonzales

    ok well see it works great i always win against ever deck but the only thing i figured out is u need something for cyclone energys they screw this deck up and if u play cyclone energys thats really bad but i put all the pokemon in there cuz u need some damage takers so the guy ur trying to load up doesnt die and u can start hiting hard for ur prize gain especialy if they have expert belt anything u can nail them in time and thnx for the advise

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  • Anonymous

    A good card to put in this deck is Slowking HGSS when you get the trainer lock on, you can use Slowkings power.I mean they can’t play any trainers and you are giving them bad draws so I think it’s a good card to put in this deck list.