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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y3UXBETTBEXCQYIYBAHVAPBLYM dunnod

    People will disagree with the Gengar Prime but I personally believe its a very good tech. I mean its like hitting a heads on a Cyrus Initiative, except they won’t ever get the card back. It sets up for Shadow Room kills and opens up the avenue for a spreading strategy. It adds a disruption aspect to the deck. Not only will people want to get rid of T/S/S from their hand, they also would want to get rid of Pokemon out of their hand too :P

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y3UXBETTBEXCQYIYBAHVAPBLYM dunnod

    People will disagree with the Gengar Prime but I personally believe its a very good tech. I mean its like hitting a heads on a Cyrus Initiative, except they won’t ever get the card back. It sets up for Shadow Room kills and opens up the avenue for a spreading strategy. It adds a disruption aspect to the deck. Not only will people want to get rid of T/S/S from their hand, they also would want to get rid of Pokemon out of their hand too :P

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been running the Gengar Prime since I pulled it at a prerelease and I have to say it’s one of the best techs against Dialga G Lv.X as you can use Hurl Into Darkness to Lost Zone it before your opponent can level up his or her Dialga G. Hadn’t even considered running the CurseGar, though, even though Curse and Shadow Skip both have a lot of synergy with Gengar Prime.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

    Oh my god.. I knew I forgot somethhing really really important that I should have added… Cyrus’s Initiative… DAMMIT! :(

  • Travis

    Gengar Prime + Lv.X = Multiple pokemon a turn being sent to the lost zone per turn via compound pain. I’ve won some matches with that before

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      yup i believe i mentioned something like that, setting up massive compound pain with gengar prime

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000151165244 David Ho

      when a pokemon is sent to the lost zone, do you still take a prize?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        yes you still take a prize as it is still knocked out unless you use “Hurl in to the Darkness”

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        yes you still take a prize as it is still knocked out unless you use “Hurl in to the Darkness”

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

    you didnt mention an umbreon tech… but nice article. my vilegar is very teched out.
    a few techs you could have mentioned:
    ditto la
    spiritomb TM
    gliscor UD
    mewtwo Lv X
    mismagius UD
    toxicroak g promo

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      It was pretty late when I was writing this article and somehow was stuck with all these tech options other than liek 1 or 2 cards taht everyone knows. So I decided to put out some newer cards from triumphant that can bring VileGar to tier 1 XD however, if my brain was functioning properly, I would have mentioned cards such as
      Ditto LA
      Ditto TM
      Cyrus’s Initiative
      Mewtwo Lv.X
      Toxicroak G
      and more

  • 2decktom

    My VileGar build has 1 Gengar Prime and 3 of both Twins and Seeker… Has helped me a lot so far!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      thats awesome :D have you tried pairing it up with Curse Gengar? :P the 1/1/1 build xD or I call it destiny cloud fist (for this Starcraft 2 fans *huskystarcraft*) lol. Despite the loss in little consistency if you go with 1/1/1, the amount of options it opens up is just amazing

      • 2decktom

        No I have not been using your 1-1-1-1 thing, but maybe that would help… I have been having a lot of trouble against DialgaChomp though, any thoughts?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        DGX has always been a troublesome match up.. even a DGX tech lol XD. However, running 1/1/1/1 seems to have been a very good choice of “tech” for DGX. Curse Gar, SF Gengar will snipe around their Uxie and Azelf for easy prizes. You ccan drop the LvX, than level down their DGX, and knock out dialga G with Gengar (assuming it’s active). Than seeker one of your bench spots, or just any Gengar, bust out your Gengar PRime and Lost Zone DGX, assuming he did not see your Gengar Prime and just got the DGX for the next turn.

      • 2decktom

        Love the scenario. :) I guess it could work…

  • Anonymous

    “This is possibly the best Rupporter for VileGar ever introduced”. LOL

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      LMAO woops :( sorry!! hurray for late night article writing… I’ll let Adam know

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Reynolds-Canyon/100001872455876 Reynolds Canyon

    IT IS VERY GOOD but it dose not help me because I do not have any trimfunt:(

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      lol thank you :D I’m really sorry that I couldn’t bring this article in to non Triumphant tech. I was thinking all night and I knew I was missing a whole bunch of cards and than I saw today and was like CRAP this is what I forgot… so.. i’ll just let you know some of em XD

      Ditto LA (great against mirror)
      Umbreon UD (great against mirror)
      Cyrus’s Initiative (Really good mid-Late game when your set up and have no reason to play any supporters, so why not play something useful xD)
      Mewtwo Lv.X (helps SP Match up)
      Toxicroak G Promo (owns Luxray GL Lv.X, you already run psychic XD)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Reynolds-Canyon/100001872455876 Reynolds Canyon

    IT IS VERY GOOD but it dose not help me because I do not have any trimfunt:(

  • Anonymous

    ‘Twins
    This is possibly the best Rupporter for VileGar ever introduced. ‘ Typo

    ‘Aso, with Twin, this is easily searchable.’ typo (twins not twin)

  • Anonymous

    ‘Twins
    This is possibly the best Rupporter for VileGar ever introduced. ‘ Typo

    ‘Aso, with Twin, this is easily searchable.’ typo (twins not twin)

    • 2decktom

      Twin typos! :)

  • Anonymous

    The three most important cards in VileGar besides the main pokemon are:

    1) Rescue Energy – You must play three. Fainting Spell alone is worth having Gengar out, even if you don’t attack.
    2) Seeker – You must play atleast two. “PokeTurn” your crobats/damaged Gengars.
    3) Crobat G – Takes atleast two prizes a game.

    Cards not needed:

    1) Twins – You should be fast enough. I can’t find space to even sacrifice for this waste.
    2) Gengar Prime – Bleh. No thanks. 2 SF Gengars is NOT consistant.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      Seriously, I understand your point of view, but I don’t like uptight players like you who won’t try different builds regardless of consistency to figure out different variation of the deck. Trying different tech ideas are definite must in building a top tier deck, and all the choices I mentioned + others mentioned in the comment sections are well worth being put in to the VileGar deck. I mentioned the consistency Problems with running 2 Gengar SF, and using all 3 Gengars, but the benefits of it too. Thanks for your suggestion. If you really want to be the best of the best player, you should prob start testing out different techs. Just a suggestion. I prob don’t have the right to say this, but I’m sure many top players agree

      • Anonymous

        I tech all the time. I know how to do it. I’ve played competively on and off for 6-7 years. You should check out my DialgaChomp list (1-2 Drifblim line UD and SF, Froslass GL). I took two 2nd places with it at BR and it’s a ridiculous list.

        I just ran my VileGar build at a cities and went 4-1. It works. And I’ve tried the prime. Fainting Spell is just too good to pass up.

        So the moral of lesson is, you aren’t a master at this game and i’m not either, we are probably equal, don’t judge someone you don’t know.

        P.S. Lol @ Gengar 1-1-1-1 line

      • Anonymous

        I changed my mind after reading your DialgaChomp BR article. Hell of an original teched out list bro. I am better than you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        woops for the late reply. Im not gonna go on a hissy fit on whose better or not.. If you read a lot of my DialgaChomp articles, I never really went in to teching the list, but want it to get it as consistent as possible because I expected to see many VileGar. Sometimes, teching out your deck is not better than getting the most consistent build