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  • Travis Russell

    Your articles without decklists are much, much better. Why would anyone only run 1 Dual Ball in ZPS, and then run 18 Energy? I’m sorry, but that’s just one of the worst ZPS decklists I’ve seen.

    • David G

      It wasn’t a tournament report, it was a report on T1 Donk by ZPS. While it was a great example of why you shouldn’t play a deck that you don’t like, I don’t feel like it’s an accurate representation of how ZPS should be played.

      ZPS getting the T1 Donk is an added bonus, getting it T2 and doing it consistently is how the deck wins. In tournament play, you shouldn’t Juniper a hand of goodies just to get the T1 Bolt Strike if you could have it T2. While it’s a good idea to do realistic testing for the T1 donk, it’s not often that you actually win off that.

    • Anonymous

      18 energy, along with 1 Dual Ball and 4 Collector do explain some of those bad hands. 15 energy at most is fine, 2 Collector and 4 Dual Ball is also a much better play.

  • Anonymous

    I think you stuff is generally good. However, while claiming to not get into the Zekrom debate, you full well did. To be honest, I did not think that Zekrom would be that great. However, it has taken TWO national championships. What is even more amazing is that the two championship top fields were different.

    Yes, the Canadian Nats winner went against a ton of Yanmega and Zekrom destroys Yanmega. Yet, the Mexican Nats winner had to take care of a bunch of Reshiram and even beat MagneBoar in the finals. I firmly believe the only reason why straight Zekrom did not go far in US Nats is simply because the best players refused to play it.

    So, to still claim that this deck is inconsistent is a little vindictive (sounds childish and is based on anecdote instead of results).

  • J Humphrey

    You should run 4 Professor Elms in your zekrom! xD

  • J Humphrey

    Oops, btw awesome read mekkah!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C7OQD6BLJCXQBNSHNZWVWLRXHE George

    I always saw Raichu HS as a counter-punch for water/flying types. It would KO both a Kingdra Prime and Yanmega Prime. With the coming of Pokemon Catcher in August, this may gain some play as a tech against the Meta.

  • Anonymous

    If you are seeking T1 120:  

    I think Sage’s Training is generally more useful than PONT here.
    You need to reduce the odds of having to start with Shaymin, Pachirisu or Unown active, which means including more free-retreat Pokemon and reducing Pachirisu to 2.

  • Anonymous

    wow, there is alot of good information in this article, as ive come to see in all of the ones you write, keep up the good work, i really enjoy reading your work.

  • Rodrigo Torres

    Note aside: I don’t think Eelektrike’s ability is restricted once by turn when you have multiple copies of it. I think, is that so, it explicit it as victiny is.

  • http://twitter.com/renato71 Renato van Bloemenhuis

    Great article. I do think that the ZPS “testing” was a little biased. Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoyed reading it, but I run and playtested ZPS a lot and am convinced that its a good setup, íf you team it up with some other main attacker(s). Júst running Zekrom is just kinda stupid and unrealistic. I heard the canadian nats winner even had a Reshiram in his deck to keep Kingdra’s attack low and to have a fire tech on board.

    Teaming ZPS with Yanmega Prime or Magnezone or any other solid performer (Zoroark as a counter card fe) will greatly enhance the effectiveness of a ZPS deck and provide solid mid to late game performance. T1 Bolt Strike is cool but you need to be extremely fortunate in the draw (and/or flip) as you showed us here, and through playtesting it myself, had concluded also. But being able to Outrage in T2 and get Bolt Strike up by T3 (and have a Zekrom and another attacker on the bench) is also a good early match setup right?

    That’s my personal opinion anyway :-)

    But… good article and entertaining read! Keep up the good work!

  • Anonymous

    tl;dr

  • http://twitter.com/MrAggroman Jakob Silvmark

    “Let’s go over the basics first. Magnezone has a nice 140 HP”The basics, Magnemite. 140 HP!?Aha, he meant the basic assets of the card, not it’s basic stage of evolution.Misreading can be dangerous.

  • Dave W

    I think I just learned how NOT to run these decks.

  • Anonymous

    i think people are having trouble telling the difference between disagreeing with your article and your article being poorly written

    the article was written very well, but as i have expressed in the past, I feel ZPS to be the stongest deck in the format. I do not like this fact, and it’s why I don’t play anymore.

    Very good write-up. Maybe one day we’ll find a way to use Electrode.

  • Anonymous

    It looks like there is a lot to clear up here. Some of your comments were incredibly helpful, some of them missed my point completely. It’s as if some people only skimmed the article, saw the Zekrom hate, my (suboptimal) list and the runs I was doing, but didn’t read the disclaimers about how my point isn’t that Zekrom sucks, or that I think it can’t win if it doesn’t donk or Bolt Strike turn 1 (I even said that a turn 2 Bolt Strike is almost as threatening!).

    First off, to those who have concerns with my list. I agree 18 Energy is a lot, but I didn’t just fish that out of thin air: I had the amount stuck in my head because of an UG list that had it. I went and checked back and it seems some other lists had a bit less. I don’t believe it was a HORRIBLE decision to run nearly 1/3 of my deck as Energy though, as in my testing (not just for this article, but overall), I’ve found that getting 3 Energy is at least as difficult as having the three Pokémon needed for the combo…but the amount of 3-4 Energy hands without the ability to “ZPS” is a bit too high to completely go against the notion of having too much Energy.

    I also agree with whoever said PONT is generally a waste when going for the t1 120, and hadn’t even thought of Sage’s for whatever reason.

    However, I don’t believe its “negative” record stems from (just) my list. For those who find 1 Dual Ball weird, note how the deck didn’t get a whole lot better than I added three more in favor of cards such as PlusPower and Pokémon Reversal (which did nothing for all intends and purposes of this test, other than being easy to burn).

    Regardless, I don’t want to look like I just shrug off criticism like nothing, I want to actually respond to it with something of substance. So what I did was do another two runs of 10 hands with an improved version of the first deck. I cut the Energy down to 14 Lightning/1 Darkness, 2 Pachirisu, 2 Shaymin, 1 Unown UD, upped to 4 Dual Ball/4 Collector, and put in 3 Sage’s. It pretty much has the biggest amount of get-Bolt-Strike-turn-1 without resorting to a card like Victory Medal. In these runs, I got 2/10 and 3/10, with the former run being recorded in text if anyone is interested.

    If you really think the fundamental problem is in my deck building, then feel free to show me your amazing awesome magic list that gets a better record than that whenever you do it. Or just do your own. If you think I am putting too much emphasis on the turn 1 Bolt Strike, look back at my Youtube analogy. I do not think Zekrom is the worst deck out there by a long shot, but I do believe the people who “have been rating it 5 stars” and put out nonsense such as “consistently does 120 damage on turn 1″ need to be contradicted somewhere.

    For airhawk06′s comment:
     I understand your problem with the whole “me not wanting to get into the Zekrom debate” part. It may have been better if I made this distinction clear in my article: I don’t want an endless back-and-forth banter in the comments section of my article, or to carry out a fictional debate between me and random Zekrom player in my article itself. I am writing this comment to clear things up moreso than to incite more discussion/debate and I don’t plan to respond to anyone contradicting me from here unless what they’re saying has merit and hasn’t been addressed.

    At Renato van Bloemenhuis:
    I appreciate the respecting tone of your post, man. I don’t really get how you could review Zekrom “without bias” though: it seems pretty much everyone either loves it or hate it. The best you can do is give it as objective of an review as humanly possible, which I tried to do. Way back when this card was shown first, I started testing it with an empty mind (perhaps even a little in favor of it) and based my opinion on that. And right now, I have done everything I can to give it all the credit it deserves. Look back in the article if you don’t believe me: I acknowledged its potential speed and donkability, I conducted the Redshark testing fairly (if anyone believes I rigged or made up my hands, just quit reading then lol), made optimal plays to my knowledge (and when I didn’t, eg Juniper/shuffle away a hand that had good cards for next turn, I noted when doing so saying I was only going for the t1 just to see if I’d get it), and I even made note when I could Outrage or Shocking Bolt instead of Bolt Strike because sometimes that’s enough for a donk as well.

    As for pairing Zekrom with another attacker, I am not too big of a fan of that either. It further cuts into its speed, I’m not sure if it helps his bad match-ups (Magnezone surely doesn’t help vs Donphan, Yanmega might) enough to make up for it, etc.

    Someone even said I was being childish or something? But I can’t find that so it must’ve been edited out or removed in some other way.

    That said, I now know better than to go this kind of route with any future articles (not that I can think of any card like Zekrom in the types still to come that would require anything like it). I may or may not leave deck lists out of it as well. It seems I’ve given the impression that I’m a bad deck builder or something with just the Zekrom lists. That’s not a problem for me, I just thought they were a good opportunity to get a better view on how a card is played than just “pair this card with that one”, since that was actually a main gripe of many an article in the past.

    tl;dr Rocket Zapdos for life