Please login or register in order to rate this article.

You should write for 6P! Click here to get started...

Like Us!

Commenting Etiquette

Be cool. That's all we ask. The writers and editors put a lot of time into bringing you these articles, so show some respect. It's ok to be critical, but please be civil about it. Don't embarrass yourself in front of everyone by making juvenile remarks because you may regret it later. If you have issue with someone, "Get a room." Nobody wants to see your childish back-and-forth banter. Think twice before commenting, use proper grammar, HAVE FUN, and thanks for adding to the conversation!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001734489773 Dakota Streck

    Wow, this was a fantastic article, great job! You went into detail about a lot of it and really gave a new and veteran players alike tons of good information, I agreed with almost everything you said, the things I didn’t agree with were pretty minor things. Great job, keep it up!

    • Anonymous

      Thanks! ^.^ Means a lot coming from you. I really enjoy your CotD reviews!

      Out of curiosity, what was it you disagreed with? I could always use another opinion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

    amazing article :) very detailed. You should of mentioned that Sablelock has a hard time dealing with high HP pokemon like Gyarados, Tyranitar Prime etc. Also Honchkrow SV is great because you can Darkness Restore any basics with 50 HP or lower, Crobat G drop, honchkrow G target attk for easy prizes :D especially against Gyarados it wins as you wil lbe darkness restoring all of the magikarps in 3 turns. This is huge as Gyarados seems to be regaining popularity now :D However, great article, and I definately agree with everything you said, just wanted to add my bit to it xD

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001734489773 Dakota Streck

      Yeah, it’ll only gain more popularity as Hunter, Rescue Energy, Junk Arm and Twins enters the format.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        I really think VileGar will be dominating the format once Gengar Prime is included. I mean lost zoning lv.xs? SP is just so bad without them :(

      • Anonymous

        VileGar’s a great deck, but it’s not quite there yet. A lot of people at my league (and yes, there are a lot of really good players there) are dismissing VileGar as a waste of effort, and while I think it still has potential, you have to admit that it’s really slow. Someday, someone will refine the list and it will be an excellent deck, but I don’t think it’ll have that strong of a showing in Cities victories.

        You do bring up a really good point, though. Gengar Prime is still an excellent card, even minus Lost World.

      • Anonymous

        GLAD TO SEE YOU’RE COMING AROUND ON THIS AFTER I BROUGHT IT TO YOUR ATTENTION IN THE “BEST OF TRIUMPHANT” ARTICLE. AND VILEGAR WILL DOMINATE CITIES WITH THE NEW PRIME, I GUARANTEE IT.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XVNTS6D43ALI4GW74Q22WXNPZU Red Ados

        and seeker

    • Anonymous

      If you run Honchkrow SV, putting Magikarps until the bench with the Poke-Power ‘Darkness Restore’ completely eliminates any threat Gyrados poses.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        except it is very easy to counter that by filling up your bench xD but yes, Honchkrow SV does help out against Gyarados match up, but filling up your bench is much easier than trying to set up Honchkrow SV.

      • Anonymous

        True, but if there’s at least 1 empty spot on their bench, then Darkness Restore’ing a single Magikarp can drastically affect the game as long as you don’t kill it. 30 less damage is major when it comes to OHKO’ing a Garchomp X or not.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        yes, it iwl lgave sablelock that edge, but i think itd be hard.. i mean you ahve a full bench, gyarados active, youd need to knock something out beofre being able to use darkness restore, and in order to do that, you gotta attack, or Crobat G drop i guess could work but takes too long xD. However, Honchkrow SV is definately a good card against gyarados and cant wait to see what happens, but i think with Seeker (hunter) and junk arm in most gyarados can easily solve this problem

      • Anonymous

        Sablelock player can definitely use seeker against gyarados too and might even be able to discard seeker that gyarados player has in his hand. Anyway Honchkrow SV is a wonderfull card not only against gyarados.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XVNTS6D43ALI4GW74Q22WXNPZU Red Ados

        seeker solves that

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        except it is very easy to counter that by filling up your bench xD but yes, Honchkrow SV does help out against Gyarados match up, but filling up your bench is much easier than trying to set up Honchkrow SV.

      • Anonymous

        I actually had something about that in one of the earlier versions of the article, but I took it out. It’s a great idea on paper, but I’ve never actually tried it out to see how it works, so I decided to err on the safe side and not include it.

    • Anonymous

      I was pretty sure I mentioned it. There’s even a little section of how Sableye has a lot of difficulty with tank Pokemon.

      That’s a great idea! I can’t believe I haven’t thought of that yet! Yet anothe rreason why Honchkrow SV is awesome.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin-Garcia/676689170 Martin Garcia

    An excellent article, worthy of UG IMO.
    You really covered every aspect, from deck building, to teching and even match ups.
    Excellent job there.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks! ^.^

  • bittyboy72

    Great article. Not so sure about your list though, seems strange but strange tends to do good a lot now a days. How do you get away with only 3 Sableye anyway?

  • bittyboy72

    Great article. Not so sure about your list though, seems strange but strange tends to do good a lot now a days. How do you get away with only 3 Sableye anyway?

    • Anonymous

      Smeargle. ;)

      It’s just a skeleton list anyways, so of course, you could add another Sableye. In fact, I’d recommend it if you can find the room for it.

      • bittyboy72

        You almost need it because the idea it to lock. You can’t without Sableye.

      • Anonymous

        It could be argued both ways, I think. Smeargle has an advantage where you know what cards are in your opponent’s hand immediately, as opposed to after you go through all the trouble of sablelocking, and the idea is to use Smeargle to get your Sableye out more quickly, etc. I’m still testing out the 3-1 Sableye-Smeargle build and seeing if it works, but so far, it shows promise.

  • Anonymous

    EPIC ARTICLE!!! I have been trying a SableLock variant focused on the new Lost World Stadium. Instead of a 1-1 Blaziken FB X, I put in a 1-1 Palkia G X. The strategy is to use a beefed up 2-2 line of Honchcrow SV to fill up your opponent’s bench and then use “Lost Cyclone” to get Pokemon into the Lost Zone. Once 6 have made it, drop Lost World and declare victory. I haven’t tested it a whole lot, but on paper it sounds viable.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      on paper sounds good, but sadly lost world isnt in the set xD

      • Anonymous

        WHAT?!? Since when dod they cut Lost World? :( :(

      • Anonymous

        From what I heard, Lost World is completely dominating the format in Japan. It’s an absolutely broken card, and if they made it correctly, it would have been a balanced, interesting new way to win. But it’s too overpowered, so I guess PUI decided not to print it here.

        The stadium that was printed is Indigo Plateu.

        Sounds like a cool strategy! If Lost World was printed (or for some reason gets printed in the future), I’d certainly try something like that.

      • Anonymous

        “Brand new Trainer, Supporter, and Stadium cards with new gameplay strategies!” According to Pokemon, there is a new Stadium card, and I was sure it was Lost World, but….

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin-Garcia/676689170 Martin Garcia

        It could also be indigo plateu.

      • 2decktom

        It’s Indigo Plateau.

  • Anonymous

    Incredible article. Lots of common knowledge, but very well presented. Keep writing.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks!

      When reading about a metagame deck, though, you do have to expect a lot of common knowledge. =P

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XVNTS6D43ALI4GW74Q22WXNPZU Red Ados

    Great Article D! You finally got it finished! :P

    • Anonymous

      Yep! =P Hurry up and get yourself a Machamp Prime if you haven’t already. I want to try battling your Macheap deck to see how things work out.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XVNTS6D43ALI4GW74Q22WXNPZU Red Ados

        Machamp Prime!
        Yeah, I want it but Damien already harvested them from the PR players who would trade them :(. Oh well, I’ll get them soon enough.

      • Anonymous

        Haha, nice way of putting it. XD That’s Damien alright.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C7OQD6BLJCXQBNSHNZWVWLRXHE George

    Great article! Uh….they’re still running variations of it here in FL! The Metagame has become very tech oriented. I wonder how that will change when SP finally rotates?

    • Anonymous

      Blame LuxChomp. =P I swear, that deck is at least 40% tech, nowadays. The thing about SP decks is that techs are /really/ easy to integrate, at least compared to non-SP decks. So it’ll be harder to tech against other things once SP rotates, I think.

      As much as I love SP for the complexity in playing it, I can’t wait until it rotates. XD

  • Anonymous

    You must be playing amateurs when you make it sound so easy to handle a VileGar deck. I hope I see a lot of your Sablelock decks in cities for an easy win. You claimed this deck is essentially an SP deck, and you rely heavily on trainers. So how do you expect to get so many “easy” prizes with no energy gains, poke-turns, and only playing ONE supporter per turn. Once Gengar gets set up, it’s OHKO from then on. And I didn’t even mention the Gengar Prime which will Lost Zone your Garchomp Lv.X. Be careful what you wish for, because VileGar will make a huge showing at cities, more so than Sablelock.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin-Garcia/676689170 Martin Garcia

      Its IS easy to handle a vilegar deck with sablelock, unless you dont know how to play sablelock, of course.
      Or your luck is really terrible.

      • Anonymous

        I hope I see you at Nationals……

      • Anonymous

        Nationals? You are so good i though i will see you at worlds…
        [sarcasm=OFF]

      • Anonymous

        I hope I see you at Nationals……

    • Anonymous

      Problem is vilegar is susceptible to donks. Sabelock hits for weakness on Vilegar. Garchomp lv. x isn’t really going to be widely used on vilegar. Also if vilegar gains incredible popularity Umberon UD fits easily in the deck and causes big problems with it. Not saying Vilegar is bad cause I’ve got both decks built now but through testing this seems to be the case.

      • Anonymous

        Umbreon UD? Really, are you telling me that I need to worry about an attack that does 30 damage? And that’s only if I don’t Lost Zone that sucker first. You seem to forget Gengar prime will be teched in every VileGar deck, so you have a choice of holding a bunch of Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums in your hand for OHKO, or hold several Pokemon in your hand for the lost Zone. Between Mr. Mime TR and Looker’s, I’ll know what’s in your hand 80%-90% of the time. And by the way, I get both Vileplume and Gengar Set up in two turns, so don’t give me that “it’s too slow” nonesense please. I’m not dissing Sablelock, but it’s not the end all be all that this article makes it out to be. Luxchomp tears this to shreds…..

      • Anonymous

        Oh man nothing like using the Mr Mime they did not release in Triumphant.

      • Anonymous

        Dang it!! I just found that out this afternoon after I posted the response. Oh well, guess it’s Noctowl to the rescue….LOL

      • Anonymous

        Oh man nothing like using the Mr Mime they did not release in Triumphant.

      • Anonymous

        I’ve been purposely avoiding responding to this, ’cause I really don’t want to start a flame war. But I do feel like I have to say something.

        Sablelock has its flaws. I point that out multiple times throughout the article. I’m sorry if I dissed your favorite deck or if I put Sablelock in too positive of a light. You’re right — if you get fully set up with Vileplume and a Gengar, there’s very little that Sablelock can do to stop you. That’s why I emphasized that Sablelock players should try to take control of the game early on, because if it doesn’t, Sablelock will probably lose. I’m not pretending that it’s not a possibility that Sablelock loses to VileGar.

        However, there’s no point in just to “diss”, as you put it, both me and the deck that I play. You claim that I was only playing amateurs with VileGar. That might be true. But there’s also a very real possibility that you’ve only played amateurs with Sablelock, too. The whole point of Sablelock is to prevent the opponent from setting up, so your turn-two Vileplume/Gengar probably won’t happen against a decent Sablelock player, barring a terrible start. Fifty-damage Overconfident (which is not difficult to get out) KO’s most of the important basics in VileGar.

        And I’d just like to point out that it would be kind of pointless to say something like, “Oh, by the way, Sablelock isn’t actually all that great, so you should play LuxChomp instead” in an article about Sablelock. People read this article to learn what makes Sablelock good, either so they can play it themselves, or so they can prepare against it. I tried to balance things out by adding a section on why Sablelock isn’t the BDIF, but I guess that wasn’t enough.

        But please, calm down. If we can discuss VileGar vs. Sablelock without mocking other people, then maybe we can both learn something from each other.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin-Garcia/676689170 Martin Garcia

        Well, first things first. Sablelock is not an almighty deck, thats for sure, it has many flaws, nobody denies that. But gengar DOES have x2 weakness to its most common attackers, sableye and honchkrow.
        Also, sablelock is by far faster than vilegar, and, even tough its an sp deck, is not nearly as affected by trainer lock as the classic SP decks (dialgachomp, luxchomp and blazechomp) thats to sableye searching supporters.
        Finally, all your starters have less hp than sableye, making you really weak against a sabledonk, one of the decks special traits.
        Sure, if you manage to set up, you have probably already won the game.
        But thats a pretty big IF.

  • Anonymous

    Awesome article man!

    Though, I too have to question the 3 Sableye…

    • Anonymous

      Thanks! And like I told Bittyboy, that’s a skeleton list. Feel free to add to it or change it as you see fit. =P

  • Anonymous

    I’ve used Houndoom G as a tech in my sablelock with great success. It helps overcome some tanking decks. Ex: Steelix, Scizor, Dialga. It definitely still has trouble with high hp decks. I’d say having 4 sableye is too good not to do though.

    • Anonymous

      Huh. That’s definitely something to think about. Black Cry would work well with locking things active. But Roserade GL works better, IMO, ’cause you only need one energy (or even just an Energy Gain), as opposed to an energy and an Energy Gain. And Blaziken FB Lv.X works much better against the tanking decks /and/ works better against high-HP decks.

      The three Sableye, I admit, is something I’m still testing out. If it turns out it doesn’t work, then it’s back to the standard four.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

        no his other attack does 120 to those tanks that hes talking about because they are weak to fire and houndoom is able to use darks

      • Anonymous

        Yeah and it fits in for only 1 space versus the blaziken, the lv x and fire energy.

      • Anonymous

        I know. Just saying, Blaziken does 160 to those tanks, which is an instant KO for most of them, and requires fewer energies to operate.

        Not saying it’s a bad idea, though. I personally think Blaziken works a lot better, but I’ll try it out sometime and see how it works.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin-Garcia/676689170 Martin Garcia

        The thing is blaziken works against any high hp deck, and also gives disruption, while houndoom only works against steel decks. i know most high hp decks are steel, but what about things like T-tar, charizard, or donphan?

      • Anonymous

        Charizard I’ve beaten consistently, donphan you have to use crobat g and toxic fang, t-tar is tough definitely. Not saying Sablelock has problems against these cause it does. But I feel like adding consistency for other matches is helpful while still having a fire counter.

      • Anonymous

        Promocroak works wonders against T-tar. =P

  • 2decktom

    “which lets you switch out the opponent’s active Pokemon with a benched Pokemon and burn it. (Not really. Just put a burn marker on it.)”

    ROFL!

    Great and lengthy article!

    • Anonymous

      Thanks! ^.^ After I typed that line, I got an amusing mental image, so I felt I had to add that bit. XD

      • Anonymous

        I know, don’t you just love taking a match to your oppenents $80 Uxie Lv. X? Lol. Great article by the way, really in depth and informitive!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shining-Yue/1018279749 Shining Yue

    I usually don’t comment if it’s not for adding some useful opinion, but I feel the need to say that this is one great article.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan-Wiley/100000806028921 Jonathan Wiley

    *sorry for double post

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan-Wiley/100000806028921 Jonathan Wiley

    *sorry for double post

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan-Wiley/100000806028921 Jonathan Wiley

    I really like the deck, and like you I have been throwing a Smeargle or two in just about everything I play to help with speed and consistency.

    Although with How popular Vilegar is (since it seems to be an over popular subject on this board, not trying to flame or anything) Im surprised not to see an Umbreon UD tech’ed in here some where, even if its a simple 1-1/2-2 line. May not have the extra space you wish. But with type weakness and a special Dark, doing 80 to Genger per turn and stopping him from attacking your umbreon while he is forced to snipe, IMo would be ideal with Poketurns. I could be looking at this for a completely random standpoint, but IMO its something to possibly consider.

    Other than that, I am glad I took my lunch break to sit here and read this article, lovely read. But to be 100% honest, I’m getting a little sick of SP decks :P

    • Anonymous

      The Umbreon UD really is a good idea, and if I could add it to the article, I definitely would. It’s definitely something I’d at least try out.

      You’re not alone with the SP thing. I love how complex it is to play, but I hate how turbo-charged it’s made the metagame.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C4PB7JUFWQUAZ4YWHIFRCCKBZQ Hiun Doragon

    thanks for the excelent write up! i used the base materials of this list to create a locking TTar deck and i probably would have placed in the top cut at Cities if i had more practice with the deck. but i will be ready for Regionals!

    thanks again for the excelent coverage!