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  • Fritzhans98

    i think u forgot mankey as a counter to luxray

  • http://www.myspace.com/michaelmasacre Michael Scot Masacre

    Interesting, I had no idea T-Tar was doing that well. I know it can be a beast when set up, whom won BR with T-Tar does anyone know? Also excellent job on the article, there is some pretty usefull information.

  • sledd

    Yeah, Mankey is a great counter to luxray and my personal favorite in a non-sp deck because you can get it set up with a Roseannes. Just search Mankey and a Fighting Energy.

  • nardd

    A friend of mine got 1st with it in one of the New England BR's. Not sure what his list was like though, just that he was playing TTar…

  • http://www.teamomar.com/ Ed

    One of my friends made top-4 with it at BRs. If you don't have a way to deal with the spread, it can take 3+ prizes in one turn.

  • Peter

    thanks for your comment. I never even knew about Mankey LOL. thanks for letting the readers know that there are more counter options for non SP decks! THANKS! :) there is also an article i wrote coming up soon thats is about my own T-Tar Build which I will be taking it to battle roads this weekend :).

  • awesomedude

    dude dusknoir dp counters pluff since they must limit their field.

  • awesomedude

    and nidoqueen counters ttar

  • Peter

    t-tar isnt just good for spreading.. his other 2 attacks are huge as well. Donphan is a far better counter against T-Tar

  • Peter

    with the fast speed of Jumpluff, they will most likely bring up your Duskull and K.O it before you get to even evolve it for Dark Palm. However, when your Dusknoir DP is on the field along with your main attacker, than thats a different story.

  • JPN-Gallade

    Great article! You did bring up some really good points. Sablelock, Luxchomp, and Luxpluff are currently the most winning decks out there. After all, they have been winning the most Battle Roads lately. Also, I agree that T-tar Prime is another good deck for nationals. That card has been some Battle Roads too, and its got a good matchup against any kind of Gengar deck. The only thing that seems to be left out is Mankey as a counter to Luxray GL, and the fact Gyarados and Donphan weren't mentioned, as these decks are also pretty good decks too.

    Yep, I agree with your points about what you said though. Great read! Hope to see you at nats!

  • chrataxe

    That is a pretty good article, though I have to disagree with T-tar. Is it a good deck? Yes. Is it a “secret?” No. Is it one of the top 4 decks? NO! Not saying that you said it was, but you did say that the other 3 are the winningest decks, why throw out a deck that hasn't won much?

    I think you had a great idea for 2 different articles and tried to cram it into one. A “Top BR's & Nat's Deck” article should have been one and “Great decks that haven't popped up yet but might pop up before Nat's” could have been a complete different article.

  • Peter

    tyranitar prime has 2 wins in Battle roads so far as I remember. along with several Tops. which IMO is definately doing all the other decks ive seen. thanks for the constructive criticism tho! :D

  • Walrus

    As a CurseGar player I think that it's a better deck to counter Jumpluff than anything else out there. With a belt and a Curse you one hit Jumpluffs every turn, and the two techs you mentioned to counter Jumpluff are already included in the standard CurseGar list: Spiritomb destroys they're early setup, and a double mine wall leaves them nearly helpless. Luxray can only BrightLook so much.

  • Peter

    Thanks for letting me know :D i never seen a cursegar matched up with jumpluff lol. I just assumed cursegar would have a hard time unless they get a spiritomb start or a mime start with a handful of good supporters and trainers since cursegar is a slow deck.

  • Walrus

    no problem, the chance of starting with either a Spiritomb (usually 4), a Gastly (also trainer lock, 4) or a mime (2) are pretty high.

  • lenny56

    i have a t tar deck analysis that adam is pending right now, and i went to a br and it got 3rd. it beat all 3 other decks above and lost to 2 rogue decks. so i dissagree with the statement that it is a bad deck.

  • lenny56

    That was my worry when i made my t tar deck. does any one have any counter techs that i could use in a t tar deck?

  • lenny56

    Mankey counters lv.x not prime, but primeape ul might b a good enough counter for t tar

  • lenny56

    i got third with it at a WI br in wautoma, but i think a junior got first with it there.

  • chrataxe

    What happened to the great American tradition of READING?! I didn't say it was bad, in fact, I said it was GOOD. I just said that if I had to pick 4 decks to talk about, that wouldn't have been one of them. He picked THE 3 most prominent decks in the format, skipped like the next 5 or 6 (possibly 12 or so), then picked one that, yes, while it is doing OK and has even won a few BR, was not the next in line. I don't remember what has won what off the top of my head, but I do remember JWittz saying that Luxchomp, Sablelock, and Jumpluff are the top 3 winning decks at battle roads, and I also remember him mentioning a Blazechomp, PalkiaGarchomp, and Steelix Prime decks winning. While those are all also great decks, I don't think either of those are the #4 deck (even though I am quite partial to Blazechomp), but I do believe that Blazechomp and Palkia/Garchomp are better than T-tar.

    I'm glad you placed third, but I hate to point out the obvious: you placed third. Now, if you came back and said you won and blew through everyone easily, and had you actually READ my reply, your response may have had some bearing. I'm looking forward to your T-tar article, as I don't know much about the deck myself and I'm pretty sure I'll be facing 2 of them at BR on Sunday.

  • Fritzhans98

    yeah, what a pity its go´nna be forbidden, but there are nice cards like interwiewer and collector, should be no problem next year

  • Fritzhans98

    no problem peter^^…but i play mankey, i had to say that, nice article, im looking forward to the next one see u

  • Peter

    lmao not yet :( ive been working on it too. Althought Tyranitar Prime has a disadvantage against Donphan. It is not so bad that its an auto loss. its just much harder. Normally id tank with T tar but if its agaisnt donphan. I try to take a few prizes untill i have 2~3 left and just Megaton Tail with Ttar for the last 3 prizes with REversals and such

  • Fritzhans98

    yeah, what a pity its go´nna be forbidden, but there are nice cards like interwiewer and collector, should be no problem next year

  • Fritzhans98

    no problem peter^^…but i play mankey, i had to say that, nice article, im looking forward to the next one see u

  • Peter

    lmao not yet :( ive been working on it too. Althought Tyranitar Prime has a disadvantage against Donphan. It is not so bad that its an auto loss. its just much harder. Normally id tank with T tar but if its agaisnt donphan. I try to take a few prizes untill i have 2~3 left and just Megaton Tail with Ttar for the last 3 prizes with REversals and such

  • Blazintatter17

    Exploud out of SV would be great in a t-tar deck. Gets rid of weakness for all of your pokemon

  • Teamrockettwins38

    Very nice article man. You gave a basic run-down of the main decks being used. I am excited to build a T-Tar deck as soon as my 2 primes come in the mail… JPN-Gallade- I will be at nationals!!! My name is Anthony and here is a link to my youtube account. http://www.youtube.com/user/TeamRocketTwins.

    I will be using a leafeon/Vespiqueen/Venomoth deck at Nats, b/c I couldn't fully construct my Speedrill deck.

  • Ian W.

    From Ian W, Junior from WA. Tech against T-Prime: Toxicroak G Promo. It does 120 damage, and they're poisoned.

  • Nell Swartwout

    Hmmm…very good to find out, there were without a doubt a couple of things that I had not thought of before.

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