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  • http://www.facebook.com/julliant Julliant Chen

    You should try to fit in Seeker, for obvious reasons.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      Well the point is hopefully lock him before he gets set up lol. Its quite possible for this deck to stop a decks set up easily in the first few turns with cards such as Team Rocket’s Tricket x2 with Impersonate and using it form hand or Jirachi RR, Cyrus’s Initiatve x2, Weavile Drops, etc. But yes, once Tank decks get set up, it is very hard for the deck to walk over as the daamge output isnt the best. And yes, Seeker would be a nice addtion, along with VS Seeker lol except I jsut didn’t have the room anymore xD

      • http://www.facebook.com/julliant Julliant Chen

        Perhaps a LA Houndoom? Can very easily sweep away Steelix and Dialga G.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        very possible tech also, however, the bench is always full for this deck xD and the Poke-Body iwl lbe shut off anyways xD I think Houndoom G would be ab etter tech to counter DGX

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZZ2AMUZXD4M66Y7EBCWX6SZTKQ Dakota Streck

    Well, I think you have a very good list for the deck, but I don’t think the actual deck will work with bad matches against LuxChomp, Gyarados and IMO, Machamp as well.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      Despite popular beliefs, lol it works fairly well against LuxChomp. I’ve beaten 1 Luxchomp and Lost to 1 Luxchomp and even than, the loss was very close, 1-1 prize until they taken the last one, and when I won, I think I was up 2 prizes. I have yet to test the build out, and since the rise of Gyarados, I believe Honchkrow SV will be a good tech

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

    Tank decks will be your biggest problem.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      ya but all tanks deck also takes a while to get set up lol except dialga chomp, and tanking isnt really big in my area, there is not even one dialga chomp player actually lol, I used to be the only one, not I stopped cuz I got bored of it xD too many top cuts at BR XD thought i should test other decks for cities

  • Lamar

    Why not put 1-1 Honchkrow SV in here to help against Gyarados? You’re already running the energy and if they use your cards against you to discard their Magikarps, just put them on the bench for safe keeping.

  • http://oblik.blogspot.com Kevin Kuphal

    Giratina Lv.X would be a great tech in this deck. With the Poke-Body requiring your opponent to discard in order to attack, even if they were to pull a good top deck draw, they’d have to dump it to attack.

    • Lamar

      I was thinking that too. The only problem is getting it back to the bench. Right now the list doesn’t run any Warp Points or Warp Energies (or Level Max if you’re feeling lucky). The only thing that can help it get back right now is Unown Q and discarding what little energies the deck has. Also a problem could be had with a Giratina start. Where you need to bank on hitting a Super Scoop Up. If the list was altered to include switch cards I could understand the including of Giratina, especially the basic version with the “Let Loose” Poke-Power. But as of now the list has a lot of free retreaters and the list may already have enough discarding. I’m definitely going to be doing some experimenting with Weavile very soon!

      • http://oblik.blogspot.com Kevin Kuphal

        It takes up more room, but a Level-Max could always level up on the bench and while not the most useful basic, the Strafe attack will switch Giratina back to the bench

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      Giratina Lv.X was an Idea, but it was just too slow for the deck

  • Anonymous

    I’m curious how the deck has performed at tournaments. Between you and Curtis what’s the best the deck has placed so far?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      Well at the time, I was running DialgaGarchomp, and he absolutely had the control over me, constantly making me drop cards and making me top deck bad cards. However, He couldn’t find a way to draw in to Poke-Turns or hit enough heads on SSU to reuse Chatot G (this wouldnt happen with Slowking HGSS). Also the fact taht when he Chatot G my top 4 cards, he got, Dialga G and 3 Cyrus’s Conspiracy LOL so I was able to get out of the lock and over power him as he used most of his resources on Chatot G (once again not going to happen with Slowking HGSS). Also, his loss to me was because this deck is really weak once the lock comes off against a Tank deck. However, he managed to top 4, face Dialga Chomp (Zach’s unconventional, but very good build), and lost to him 2-1, tkaing game 3 in to Sudden death. I’ve yet tto run this deck at a tournament, but I hope I can at Cities as I just need few more cards for it. I think it can do very well. I’ve been testing it at locals which consists of now, Gyarados, LuxChomp, VileGar etc. I’ve yet to go against Gyarados (will be teching in 1-1 Honchkrow SV for it), but Luxchomp match up seems to be 50/50 or 60/40 in Luxchomp, and VileGar I could say the same but 60.40 to Weavile/Houndoom because of Fainting spell and type Adventange

  • Anonymous

    Chatot G?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      if you read the article clearly, i mentioned Chatot G briefly in the Slowking section and why I ran Slowking over it

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lancun-Seriuth/100000567867021 Lancun Seriuth

    Have you considered running Houndoom G? It’s a Fire Type that uses Dark to attack…not to mention that it essentially locks the opponent’s active if you disrupt their topdecks, further adding to the disruption

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      Houndoom G wouldnt be a bad tech, but I just don;t like the energy cost for the dmg out put xD

  • Anonymous

    I really like the ambipom from TF, that makes opponent discard 2 cards.

    • http://oblik.blogspot.com Kevin Kuphal

      I was considering the Ambipom RR. Once you have someone locked up, moving energy off their attacker could be disastrous if they had managed to get someone set up at all.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        Well the full lock is acutally Houndoom attacking soon as their hand is at 1~2 as now they will have absolutely nothing to work with. That few turns you give them with Ambipom G could backfire, but also bring you very good results.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      Ambipom TM is a very good choice actaully. It can use DCE, (despite there is none on the list but you cna make changes). But I hate the damage output, 80 HP + x2 Fighting weakness makes it OHKO from Machamp’s Take Out. And the fact that it is shuffled back in to the deck

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Giorgio-Pasqualini/1624983397 Giorgio Pasqualini
    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      pardon? I have no idea what your talking about

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Giorgio-Pasqualini/1624983397 Giorgio Pasqualini

    I see, that forum is the Pokémon TCG official Italian forum. As you said and as I had forgotten, you need to have 5 posts in the forum in order to see the discussion I linked in the previous message. That discussion wasn’t open to everybody because we were talking about decks and strategies for the Prague Cup 2010… Well, I’ll show you what I was talking about…La follia pre europeo ha portato a questo: [Crazyness before European Cup generated this:]Torta * Visualizza Profilo * Visualizza Messaggi Forum * Messaggio Privato * Visualizza ArticoliTorta è onlineDetto ”Il bello”…L’avatar di TortaRegistrato dal 05 Jan 2009Località Trieste (TS) / Osio Sotto (BG) 27 Pokémon 4-4 Weavile UD 2-2 Houndoom UD 2-2 Slowking GS 3 Sableye SF 2 Jirachi RR 1-1 Giratina PL LV.X (Giratina Let Loose) 3 Uxie LA 1 Azelf LA 23 Addestramento 3 Broken Time Space 3 Team Rocket Trickery 3 Pokémon Collector 2 Bebe’s Search 4 Super Scoop Up 3 Pokémon Communication 2 Judge 2 Cyrus’s Initiative 1 Luxury Ball 10 Energie 4 Buio Speciali 2 Buio 2 Psico 2 Warp EnergyI have just pasted here the list (without the analisys) that I posted in that discussion. This list gained almost 60 comments, and in the end gained this form:4-4 Weavile UD2-2 Houndoom UD2-2 Slowking GS2 Jirachi RR3 Sableye SF2 Uxie LA2 Unown Q (Grazie Dr.Caterpie)Addestramento (27)4 Broken Time Space3 Pokémon Collector2 Bebe’s Search4 Team Rocket’s Trickery2 Cyrus’s Initiative1 Cyrus’s Conspiracy (Grazie Gatsu)2 Looker’s Investigation4 Super Scoop Up4 Pokémon Communication1 Luxury BallEnergie (8)4 Energie Oscurità Speciali4 Energie OscuritàThis list (with some fix) was also used by the Italian national champion of 2006 and 2007 during the prague cup and he closed the tournament 4-3.Of course I’m not saying you copied it from me or something like that… My first comment at your list was not that serious, it was a sarcastic way to underline that Italy got it first! =)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      Lol XD oh, I don’t mind xD I’m kinda sad that it only went 4-3… If I ever top a national or regionals with this.. I’ll be sure to mention Curtis and the Italians.. as I believe the forum was italian? (I can’t speak em.. had to use translator)

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Giorgio-Pasqualini/1624983397 Giorgio Pasqualini

        Yes I am the “inventor” of that deck and I’m Italian myself. The forum is Italian and thanks to all the Italian community the deck was improved. However, I am not Curtis but Torta LOL (if you meant to mention me). Torta is the Italian translation for Cake LOL

      • http://www.facebook.com/reichenberger David Reichenberger

        How is anyone the “inventor” of this deck? The whole idea was obvious as soon as translations were released for the cards. “Weavile and Houndoom AND Team Rocket’s Trickery!? Let’s build a deck!!”
        It’s like, “Keine Scheiße, Sherlock”.

      • 2decktom

        Agreed. Nobody can be the inventor of a deck.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Giorgio-Pasqualini/1624983397 Giorgio Pasqualini

        When I posted my first post I was (as I said) saying something without any attempt of revendicating anything.. It was just a a sort of gag that I thought when I saw the list of that deck! The following posts were to explain to you the meaning of what I said… I wrote inventor between inverted comas, as I said, I just noticed that we both had the same idea (not talking about weavile+houndoom+trickery only, but also jirachi which means trickery and cyrus in. x2, slowking which means draw control and sableye as a starter…) However, I’m glad that I was not the only one who put his trust in this deck, and I’m happy to see that by the other side of the world there is someone who got almost the same, identical idea… Ich auch hoffe, dass du, david, was Ich sagen wollte verstanden haette..

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        you could be the inventor, but your not the one I got the idea from, infact its curtis. What I meant was If I do win anyhting major with this deck, you and curtis will be mentioned. However, there is really no point in taking credit for a deck that didnt do well

      • http://www.facebook.com/reichenberger David Reichenberger

        Hah! Now that’s funny.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dane-Carlson/100000196466246 Dane Carlson

    Awesome idea! I’ll have to try it! And, just wondering, do you think this would probably be rogue or not? (It’s just ‘cuz I like to play rogue decks.) :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      I’d say its rogue… lol xD Not in the main stream, or even talked about that often anyways lol.

  • 2decktom

    Great article! Might want to try this deck out, as I love disruption… :D

  • Anonymous

    My friend Blake runs this but with a way different list> I don’t like the deck and never will.

  • Anonymous

    Do you think your deck would run more consistently if you swapped out the ssu for seeker, and why puut in uxie X if your bench is already going to be fairly packed?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      beacuse Uxie will be used no matter what every game… well like 99% of the time… so having Uxie.X let’s me draw more

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      beacuse Uxie will be used no matter what every game… well like 99% of the time… so having Uxie.X let’s me draw more

  • http://www.facebook.com/Haaitsnick Nick Galli

    I would suggest a heavy hitter in this deck because too many decks top deck the exact cards they need to get out of the lock. Honchkrow sv possibly? using its poke power to put unwanted basics from the discard onto the bench to take up their much needed bench space with say an koed uxie? Great idea just needs a back up plan if lock does not succeed

  • Anonymous

    I like the idea of TRR and Jirachi a lot. TRR by itself even i feel is an extremely underrated card. A 2 for 1 is always really good in pokemon.