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  • Soul

    I really like the Combee idea, gj!

  • Soul

    I really like the Combee idea, gj!

  • Brandon

    The Mewtwo seems like a great card to add to the deck especialy in the begining of the game you could stall with Mewtwo or Mr.Mime until you get three Magicarps in the discard pile!

  • Brandon

    The Mewtwo seems like a great card to add to the deck especialy in the begining of the game you could stall with Mewtwo or Mr.Mime until you get three Magicarps in the discard pile!

  • pokefart

    Cool deck Combee is a cool idea but is it good to have in a deck :D

    • poke fart

      This is my list of POKEMON:
      19 Pokemon

      1 Sableye SF
      4-2 Gyarados SF
      2 Crobat G PL
      1-1 Shedinja SV
      1-1 Claydol GE
      1 Combee SF
      1 Regice LA
      1 Azelf LA
      1 Unown g GE
      1 Mankey SV
      1 Spiritomb PA

  • benjamin

    if i am right the trainer and energy count is wrong. i like the combee idea but i would max the turns

  • benjamin

    if i am right the trainer and energy count is wrong. i like the combee idea but i would max the turns

  • pokefart

    Cool deck Combee is a cool idea but is it good to have in a deck :D

    • poke fart

      This is my list of POKEMON:
      19 Pokemon

      1 Sableye SF
      4-2 Gyarados SF
      2 Crobat G PL
      1-1 Shedinja SV
      1-1 Claydol GE
      1 Combee SF
      1 Regice LA
      1 Azelf LA
      1 Unown g GE
      1 Mankey SV
      1 Spiritomb PA

  • TDA

    Combee is an old idea which was used to pull up magikarp for the fifth time,but with spiritomb sprouting up,it becomes one of the surest ways to bring back karp.
    Your deck doesnt have any answer to glistomb and also since we start with sableye,we NEED 4 calls,else its gg T1 against shuppet.
    And IMO gyara doesnt have any disadvantage against luxray,sure the prize count may be in their favour,but we ohko them everytime they ko us.So teching in mewtwo may not be the best idea,but sure is a good one if your meta is full of sp’s,as luxray still brightlooks gyara for the ko.

  • TDA

    Combee is an old idea which was used to pull up magikarp for the fifth time,but with spiritomb sprouting up,it becomes one of the surest ways to bring back karp.
    Your deck doesnt have any answer to glistomb and also since we start with sableye,we NEED 4 calls,else its gg T1 against shuppet.
    And IMO gyara doesnt have any disadvantage against luxray,sure the prize count may be in their favour,but we ohko them everytime they ko us.So teching in mewtwo may not be the best idea,but sure is a good one if your meta is full of sp’s,as luxray still brightlooks gyara for the ko.

  • http://myspace.com/gottabuyemallcards iScoop

    Not a bad article Christopher, but . . .

    Just my 2 cents though:
    In my opinion, a “smart” Blazeray player is not even going to be worried about the Mewtwo being there (especially after finding out you have no Unown Gs). The Blazeray player will just end up getting past Mewtwo via Luxray GL Lvl X’s Bright Look or Blaziken FB’s Luring Flame.

    I sort of disagree with TDA when he says that Gyarados doesn’t have a disadvantage to Luxray. If you’re able to set up a turn 2 Gyarados, you should be fine. This deck is all about the quick setup. IF you don’t get it, you’re basically screwed.

    In regards to the Combee — Yes it’s an idea that’s been floating around for a while. I guess it just depends on your metagame. I would consider running it especially if there are plenty of Dialgas deafening in your area. Only bad side to it, of course, is starting off with it.

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    MORE LATER!

    • Renfield89

      Luring Flame can’t get around Mewtwo Lv. X, dude.

      “Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage…”

      • http://myspace.com/gottabuyemallcards iScoop

        [Poke-Body] Psybarrier
        Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage, done to Mewtwo by your opponent’s Pokemon that isn’t an evolved pokemon.

        Read your cards :]

        You literally get AROUND Mewtwo. You don’t attack Mewtwo.

      • quaziko

        I’m pretty sure rein’s right. Moving Mewtwo to the bench while using “luring flame” is an effect of an attack that would be negated. I’m not 100%, but I think I’ve seen this ruling enforced before, similar to an active Unown G’d pokemon also being unaffected by attacks like “luring flame.”

      • http://myspace.com/gottabuyemallcards iScoop

        I’m a hypocrite. Maybe I should read my cards :]

        I thought Blaziken’s text read something like, ‘switch one of your opponent’s Pokémon with the their defending ‘ instead of ‘ Switch
        the Defending Pokémon with 1 of your opponent’s Benched Pokémon ‘

    • Renfield89

      Luring Flame can’t get around Mewtwo Lv. X, dude.

      “Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage…”

    • steelorrs

      You know, you are right iScoop, a smart Blazeray player with kill off the pokemon that are not Mewtwo Lv. X. so this is where a smart Gyarados player comes in. Once you see you are playing a Blazeray deck forget everything you know about Gyarados and use Sableye to get a mewtwo Lv. X set up and try to have nothing else on your bench. They can’t warp you, they can’t Intimidating Roar if they have Infernape 4. Unless they have a Diagla G Lv.X (Which I’ve never heard of one in a Blazeray deck) they cannot attack or kill you at all and you are doing 120 every other turn, therefore, taking a prize card every other turn.

  • http://myspace.com/gottabuyemallcards iScoop

    Not a bad article Christopher, but . . .

    Just my 2 cents though:
    In my opinion, a “smart” Blazeray player is not even going to be worried about the Mewtwo being there (especially after finding out you have no Unown Gs). The Blazeray player will just end up getting past Mewtwo via Luxray GL Lvl X’s Bright Look or Blaziken FB’s Luring Flame.

    I sort of disagree with TDA when he says that Gyarados doesn’t have a disadvantage to Luxray. If you’re able to set up a turn 2 Gyarados, you should be fine. This deck is all about the quick setup. IF you don’t get it, you’re basically screwed.

    In regards to the Combee — Yes it’s an idea that’s been floating around for a while. I guess it just depends on your metagame. I would consider running it especially if there are plenty of Dialgas deafening in your area. Only bad side to it, of course, is starting off with it.

    —-

    MORE LATER!

    • Renfield89

      Luring Flame can’t get around Mewtwo Lv. X, dude.

      “Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage…”

      • http://myspace.com/gottabuyemallcards iScoop

        [Poke-Body] Psybarrier
        Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage, done to Mewtwo by your opponent’s Pokemon that isn’t an evolved pokemon.

        Read your cards :]

        You literally get AROUND Mewtwo. You don’t attack Mewtwo.

      • quaziko

        I’m pretty sure rein’s right. Moving Mewtwo to the bench while using “luring flame” is an effect of an attack that would be negated. I’m not 100%, but I think I’ve seen this ruling enforced before, similar to an active Unown G’d pokemon also being unaffected by attacks like “luring flame.”

      • http://myspace.com/gottabuyemallcards iScoop

        I’m a hypocrite. Maybe I should read my cards :]

        I thought Blaziken’s text read something like, ‘switch one of your opponent’s Pokémon with the their defending ‘ instead of ‘ Switch
        the Defending Pokémon with 1 of your opponent’s Benched Pokémon ‘

    • steelorrs

      You know, you are right iScoop, a smart Blazeray player with kill off the pokemon that are not Mewtwo Lv. X. so this is where a smart Gyarados player comes in. Once you see you are playing a Blazeray deck forget everything you know about Gyarados and use Sableye to get a mewtwo Lv. X set up and try to have nothing else on your bench. They can’t warp you, they can’t Intimidating Roar if they have Infernape 4. Unless they have a Diagla G Lv.X (Which I’ve never heard of one in a Blazeray deck) they cannot attack or kill you at all and you are doing 120 every other turn, therefore, taking a prize card every other turn.

  • Pikkdogs

    Yeah Mewtwo is good, but if you are trying to stop luxray gl, mewtwo is not your man. You can still run mewtwo if you want, maybe a 1-1 line might be better. But if you are going after luxray gl lv.x, what you do is you wait for luxray to come active and then you use a roseanee’s reasearch to search for a mankey sv and a fighting energy. Then you lay down mankey attach the fighting, then make him your active, and then ohko luxray gl lv.x

    • steelorrs

      I like your idea, but the problem with mankey is that he will get OHKO the very next turn and it doesn’t take much for a luxray to recover and start knocking out gyarados’ again. Mewtwo is good because it cannot be knocked out by a blazeray deck.

  • Pikkdogs

    Yeah Mewtwo is good, but if you are trying to stop luxray gl, mewtwo is not your man. You can still run mewtwo if you want, maybe a 1-1 line might be better. But if you are going after luxray gl lv.x, what you do is you wait for luxray to come active and then you use a roseanee’s reasearch to search for a mankey sv and a fighting energy. Then you lay down mankey attach the fighting, then make him your active, and then ohko luxray gl lv.x

    • steelorrs

      I like your idea, but the problem with mankey is that he will get OHKO the very next turn and it doesn’t take much for a luxray to recover and start knocking out gyarados’ again. Mewtwo is good because it cannot be knocked out by a blazeray deck.

  • The Thunder

    I think Mewtwo LV.X is that good in this deck for most Gyarados decks dont run much energies, maybe USE gYARADOS TO get some time and set up another Gyarados if one got KOed so you can change it to a 1-1 line and add in 1 more Mr Mime and a 1-1 Luxray GL line by taking out Regice.

  • The Thunder

    I think Mewtwo LV.X is that good in this deck for most Gyarados decks dont run much energies, maybe USE gYARADOS TO get some time and set up another Gyarados if one got KOed so you can change it to a 1-1 line and add in 1 more Mr Mime and a 1-1 Luxray GL line by taking out Regice.

  • The Thunder

    Srry I meant use Mewtwo LV.X to get some time to set up another Gyarados.

  • The Thunder

    Srry I meant use Mewtwo LV.X to get some time to set up another Gyarados.

  • Woodstock

    Mewtwo Lv. X just seems like a waste of space to me. Luxray GL Lv. X is a problem – but Gyarados can hit for 110 with Expert Belt and there are better ways to counter Luxray GL Lv. X rather than placing 7 spots in your deck. A 2-2 Line surely isn’t worthwhile, at least make it 1-1 or 2-1…

  • Woodstock

    Mewtwo Lv. X just seems like a waste of space to me. Luxray GL Lv. X is a problem – but Gyarados can hit for 110 with Expert Belt and there are better ways to counter Luxray GL Lv. X rather than placing 7 spots in your deck. A 2-2 Line surely isn’t worthwhile, at least make it 1-1 or 2-1…

  • The Thunder

    Also take out SSU for 2 more Poke Turn and 1 Lightning Energie for my Lux suggestion and add a Mime Jr in case of Blaziken FB and Glistomb. Then take out 2 Psychics for 2 Unown Gs.

  • The Thunder

    Also take out SSU for 2 more Poke Turn and 1 Lightning Energie for my Lux suggestion and add a Mime Jr in case of Blaziken FB and Glistomb. Then take out 2 Psychics for 2 Unown Gs.

  • The Thunder

    Or just get a Toxicroak G promo tech because the deck uses psychics anyway, so onece a Lux takes out a Gyarados, Toxicroak for the KO with 2 Psychics attached and an expert belt and then Poke Turn the next turn.

  • The Thunder

    Or just get a Toxicroak G promo tech because the deck uses psychics anyway, so onece a Lux takes out a Gyarados, Toxicroak for the KO with 2 Psychics attached and an expert belt and then Poke Turn the next turn.

  • Power Swing

    Nice article but luxray will still do some damage to you by pulling your gyarados up with its power.
    It seems like a nice deck to try though.

  • Power Swing

    Nice article but luxray will still do some damage to you by pulling your gyarados up with its power.
    It seems like a nice deck to try though.

  • yoyofsho16

    Dang that Combee is pro…
    Perfect for this format, and unblockable. I didn’t know they had coming-into-play tools…

  • yoyofsho16

    Dang that Combee is pro…
    Perfect for this format, and unblockable. I didn’t know they had coming-into-play tools…

  • Brits_Champion

    Brit Pybas played the Combee tech in the Southwest Missouri area first, you should at least give him his due.

  • Brits_Champion

    Brit Pybas played the Combee tech in the Southwest Missouri area first, you should at least give him his due.

  • Iscoop

    Lol? Sorry not to be a douche, but that idea of using Combee has been floating around for a long while. Not trying to start a flamewar, but yeah..

  • Iscoop

    Lol? Sorry not to be a douche, but that idea of using Combee has been floating around for a long while. Not trying to start a flamewar, but yeah..

  • DIZZtheWHIZZ

    Yeah man, you should AT LEAST mention him in the article. He’s the one that introduced the tech to us. :/

  • DIZZtheWHIZZ

    Yeah man, you should AT LEAST mention him in the article. He’s the one that introduced the tech to us. :/

  • Brits_Champion

    The point is he introduced the tech to the area and should at least give some credit. I’m sure someone thought of it before him but it’s just manners IMO.

    • http://myspace.com/gottabuyemallcards iScoop

      I’m going to assume you know the writer of the article?

  • Brits_Champion

    The point is he introduced the tech to the area and should at least give some credit. I’m sure someone thought of it before him but it’s just manners IMO.

  • Brits_Champion

    The point is he introduced the tech to the area and should at least give some credit. I’m sure someone thought of it before him but it’s just manners IMO.

    • http://myspace.com/gottabuyemallcards iScoop

      I’m going to assume you know the writer of the article?

  • steelorrs

    Before i say anything, is brits_champion brit pybas speaking of himself in third person? Not trying to be rude, just making sure before i say anything.

  • steelorrs

    Before i say anything, is brits_champion brit pybas speaking of himself in third person? Not trying to be rude, just making sure before i say anything.

  • steelorrs

    before i say anything, is brits_champion brit pybus speaking of himself in third person? not being rude, just want to know before i say anything.

  • steelorrs

    before i say anything, is brits_champion brit pybus speaking of himself in third person? not being rude, just want to know before i say anything.

  • Soul

    Just one thing I realized: You list says that you play 6 energies, but 4 Psychic + 3 Call are 7 energies total, If I haven’t miscalculated.

  • Soul

    Just one thing I realized: You list says that you play 6 energies, but 4 Psychic + 3 Call are 7 energies total, If I haven’t miscalculated.

  • Rogue Archetype

    You can theorymon it but, if you’re not playing Luxray LvX in your SP deck, this would be a rediculous matchup vs. just about any SP with that MewTwo X in there….

    You either get pawned w/ 90 -110 damage output w/ the straight Gdos route, or you bow down to the MewTwo X body (and lets face it, ninetales gets ONE SHOT to do it’s thing before Gdos burries it)

    Cool idea man (of course, this means you now have to tech in MORE space for energy into the speed deck that is French Gdos :/)

  • Rogue Archetype

    You can theorymon it but, if you’re not playing Luxray LvX in your SP deck, this would be a rediculous matchup vs. just about any SP with that MewTwo X in there….

    You either get pawned w/ 90 -110 damage output w/ the straight Gdos route, or you bow down to the MewTwo X body (and lets face it, ninetales gets ONE SHOT to do it’s thing before Gdos burries it)

    Cool idea man (of course, this means you now have to tech in MORE space for energy into the speed deck that is French Gdos :/)

  • steelorrs

    First things first; Brit Pybas was the first person to show me the combee tech and he deserves the credit. I wasn’t trying to steal his spotlight. Sorry bud, wish i mentioned you in the article in the first place. And Rogue, Ninetales is a must in my Blazeray deck for the simple fact that there is a Mewtwo Lv.X If Blazeray doesn’t have Ninetales then they are screwed.

  • steelorrs

    First things first; Brit Pybas was the first person to show me the combee tech and he deserves the credit. I wasn’t trying to steal his spotlight. Sorry bud, wish i mentioned you in the article in the first place. And Rogue, Ninetales is a must in my Blazeray deck for the simple fact that there is a Mewtwo Lv.X If Blazeray doesn’t have Ninetales then they are screwed.

  • PokeMontoya

    Umm Smart BlazeRays use ninetails as well so Mew2 gets OHKO’s as was said above meeee

  • PokeMontoya

    Umm Smart BlazeRays use ninetails as well so Mew2 gets OHKO’s as was said above meeee

  • http://forum.pokemon.fi/ Tonu

    I’ve played Gyarados deck in 5 BR’s during this season, so I think I would know which techs would work in it. I have played Combee in EVERY Gyarados list and it have been godly. I highly recommend using it. Combee only has Retreat Cost of one, so starting with it isn’t that bad. It also has a nice one energy for one draw attack that switches Combee to the bench afterwards.

    Every SP deck is very winable except Luxray GL variations. It’s tough, but you can run over it if you get decent start. By playing expert Belt at the right time, the opponent may have hard time on playing two Crobat’s power during the same turn. If he can, he prob can’t do it again. Usually your opponent doesn’t get more than 3-4 Luxrays during a game. So if you don’t give your opponent a 2-3 prizes head start, this should be quite even match. Your opponent can pull something to front by lvX’s power or can OHKO Mewtwo lvX with possible Ninetales tech. IMO, Mewtwo sounds quite unnecessary for a Gyarados. Getting a Mewtwo at start may ruin your game against various decks. It may work, but I would try it out.

    Mr.Mime is a nice tech card. I wouldn’t play it without a Unown Q. Btw, Mr.Mime doesn’t really help against a Shuppet. It may buy you some time to setup, but Shuppet can outplay it. Evolve it into Banette and put needed damage counters to Mime with up to one Energy card.

  • http://forum.pokemon.fi Tonu

    I’ve played Gyarados deck in 5 BR’s during this season, so I think I would know which techs would work in it. I have played Combee in EVERY Gyarados list and it have been godly. I highly recommend using it. Combee only has Retreat Cost of one, so starting with it isn’t that bad. It also has a nice one energy for one draw attack that switches Combee to the bench afterwards.

    Every SP deck is very winable except Luxray GL variations. It’s tough, but you can run over it if you get decent start. By playing expert Belt at the right time, the opponent may have hard time on playing two Crobat’s power during the same turn. If he can, he prob can’t do it again. Usually your opponent doesn’t get more than 3-4 Luxrays during a game. So if you don’t give your opponent a 2-3 prizes head start, this should be quite even match. Your opponent can pull something to front by lvX’s power or can OHKO Mewtwo lvX with possible Ninetales tech. IMO, Mewtwo sounds quite unnecessary for a Gyarados. Getting a Mewtwo at start may ruin your game against various decks. It may work, but I would try it out.

    Mr.Mime is a nice tech card. I wouldn’t play it without a Unown Q. Btw, Mr.Mime doesn’t really help against a Shuppet. It may buy you some time to setup, but Shuppet can outplay it. Evolve it into Banette and put needed damage counters to Mime with up to one Energy card.

  • kiwill

    Interesting idea. I kinda like it, will definitely try it out.

    Oh, and for the record, Fabien and I did some testing with combee before our nationals to counter dialga’s deafen lock. I just checked our team’s forum, and a message from March 28th as a decklist with combee in it… We removed it eventually because we had our matchup covered anyways.

  • kiwill

    Interesting idea. I kinda like it, will definitely try it out.

    Oh, and for the record, Fabien and I did some testing with combee before our nationals to counter dialga’s deafen lock. I just checked our team’s forum, and a message from March 28th as a decklist with combee in it… We removed it eventually because we had our matchup covered anyways.

  • Jeremy

    You cannot have 4 Mewtwo and 2 Mewtwo Lv. X. Mewtwo Lv. X counts as a Mewtwo.
    I think you might want more than 6 energy

  • Jeremy

    You cannot have 4 Mewtwo and 2 Mewtwo Lv. X. Mewtwo Lv. X counts as a Mewtwo.
    I think you might want more than 6 energy

  • TDA

    Well,he has a 2-2 mewtwo line there…..

  • TDA

    Well,he has a 2-2 mewtwo line there…..

  • mrdraz07

    The Mewtwo Lv. X is a very neat idea. It is one of few side strats w/ Gyarados that has awesome synergy w/ Sableye instead of trying to compete for bench space w/ it.

    I tried something close to your build, but minus 1-1 Mewtwo for 1-1 Claydol. I think Claydol is really important for the deck if you don’t want to flat out lose to a Looker’s when you’re out of Felicity’s. I also like a single Suicune SW instead of the Combee.

  • mrdraz07

    The Mewtwo Lv. X is a very neat idea. It is one of few side strats w/ Gyarados that has awesome synergy w/ Sableye instead of trying to compete for bench space w/ it.

    I tried something close to your build, but minus 1-1 Mewtwo for 1-1 Claydol. I think Claydol is really important for the deck if you don’t want to flat out lose to a Looker’s when you’re out of Felicity’s. I also like a single Suicune SW instead of the Combee.

  • Pi’s Mom

    I played against a very similar deck at cities in Kalamazoo, MI. Very effective, very interesting and fun to play. I don’t remember all the details, except for the fact that he was running only three energies and had only lost one match that day.

  • Pi’s Mom

    I played against a very similar deck at cities in Kalamazoo, MI. Very effective, very interesting and fun to play. I don’t remember all the details, except for the fact that he was running only three energies and had only lost one match that day.

  • jimbo

    do you think you could tech in a kingdra line? Replacing the BTS with rare candies. Kingdra second attack alows you to discard 2 cards (i.e. magikarps) doing 60+20 to bench. Also energy would not need to be drastically increased. Just a thought.

  • jimbo

    do you think you could tech in a kingdra line? Replacing the BTS with rare candies. Kingdra second attack alows you to discard 2 cards (i.e. magikarps) doing 60+20 to bench. Also energy would not need to be drastically increased. Just a thought.

  • HunterJ

    great idea! maybe a couple of Rare candy?
    my m8 is using a similar to this but with dialga g set in to!
    i love the deck adn cant se many prblems! maybe add a kindraaset in to help discard vital magicaprps!
    btw my m8 is jimbo though thats not his name

  • HunterJ

    great idea! maybe a couple of Rare candy?
    my m8 is using a similar to this but with dialga g set in to!
    i love the deck adn cant se many prblems! maybe add a kindraaset in to help discard vital magicaprps!
    btw my m8 is jimbo though thats not his name

  • jet

    Cool… I like the Gyarados… It is strong… With this Gyarados, the player sure can wine easily…

  • jet

    Cool… I like the Gyarados… It is strong… With this Gyarados, the player sure can wine easily…

  • poke fart

    I put in a banette to discard more Magikarp and aclaydol and also a ditto help with flygon lv x

  • poke fart

    I put in a banette to discard more Magikarp and aclaydol and also a ditto help with flygon lv x

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