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  • jordanbakersays

    I'm not sure how good this card is really going to be. My friend played me with his the other day and it seems really slow. The 60 damage isn't that much and getting three energy on for the 90 damage is a lot. I did like the trick of using memory berry to use phanphy's flail attack though. I think this deck will have a lot of trouble against Jumpluff swarms that can get a fully loaded attacker out much faster and have resistance to fighting.

  • Tonu

    In Donphan/Luxray GL deck you can also pick up Donphan when attackin on Luxray GL lvXs Flash Impact. By choosing Donphan you only hit 10 damage to it cause of the Exoskeleton Body. IMO this is worth of mention.

    Donphan deck will surely have to struggle against anything that can hit hard and resists Fighting (Gyarados, Jumpluff, Charizard, etc). This is why i would like to see tech Devoluter(s) in Donphan deck. Most of 'em will get KO'd by the devolution it you have attacked once with Belted Donphan. Also it's nice that Donphan has the Body to shield itself when KO'ing Devo TM'd Donphan is even harder. You could easily use single Devoluter multiple times if you manage to get at least a heads or two from your SSUs.

  • pikkdogs

    I think this card is overated. It doesnt matter if the first attack only requires 1 energy, it only does 60 damage. And that means most defending pokemon will need 3 hits to knock it out. And its not that big of a tnak where it can take 3 hits.

    Maybe it might help flygon x, but only after rotation.

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    Thanks for the article Nugget!

    Not sure which variant I like best…maybe the Luxray version. Wish that I'd actually tested Donphan so I'd have something constructive to say. I have tested Gyarados, and it's really good, so I think this is risky to play unless it has a really good matchup against SP, which I'm not sure it does.

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    Hadn't thought about using Devo TM in a while, nice idea.

  • Alakapimp

    I'm pretty meh on donphan

  • michaelmasacre

    Machamp/Donphan is in my opinion the best build, i have actually played with it and it runs really well sometimes. As far as it being a major contendor, probebly not. Donphan/Flygon was kind of pointless, why retreat donphan in the first place? And I like reversal over luxray much more with this deck. Lets just say i'm not impressed enough to switch my current deck for it anytime soon.

  • Saturn

    I like running this deck with Great Bliss and Manectric. Manectric keeps most sniping at bay. It's actually pretty fast in set-up. You are at least heavy hitting by turn 2 like most SP decks. I tried running it with Flygon but it was not very consistent.

  • ofr3ako

    Slow???!??!!!?? A stage one with 120 hp and a body that reduces all attack damage to itself by 20 while dealing 60 for 1 slow? It needs no rare candy and at the LATEST your swinging on turn two, with a stage one that has a 120 hp and a body that reduces all attack damage to itself by 20 while dealing 60 for 1. Need I repeat it again?!??

  • ofr3ako

    It a Gyarados comes out onto the field it's an autoloss.

  • ofr3ako

    In my 3 weeks of playing Donphan in various builds (really just because I like the pokemon) I can say this:

    I have NOT lost to any variant of PLOX deck.
    I have NOT lost to Luxray GL/ Chomp with DCE, or BlazeRay. I have also played against these with Dialga techs and still won.
    I have won MOST matches against Feraligatr/ Lumineon and Feraligatr variants, being that Donphan out-speeds the deck, and with proper techs can hold on till' victory.

    However………………………

    Gyarados is an autoloss. ROFL, but everything is totally vulnerable to something. Gyarados with Blissey Prime tech is ridiculous, if you haven't tested it or played against it, I advise you do so.

    Hopefully this weekend I will get some good matches versus t3h super hyped 'pluff. Also versus Flygon-Lock with DCE and other upgrades, in which I believe Donphan can hold his on.

    Oh, and I run mine with 'queen currently, but I want to try the Manetric/ Blissey Prime variant out.

    Lastly, I hardly ever gotten a Donphan later than turn 2 BTW.

  • MarkStroup

    IMO, between the “rock-paper-scissors” (Gyarados/Kingdra<Donphan/Jumpluff<LuxrayGL+SP's<Gyarados/Kingdra<Donphan<LuxrayGL+SP's) of popular possibilites that will be at States, this deck I believe has the least success rate between these 3.
    If I were to play it, it would have to be done TURBO Donphan style, similar to the old TURBO Machamp that was so set on going second and getting a guaranteed Machamp out T2 and DONK.
    I can see him making rise for the next set when the LEGEND Legendary Dogs go rampant and the metagame WILL be Lanturn Prime because he OHKO's all the dogs by becoming either water or electric type, Donphan will be the “after-counter” to Lanturn countering the dogs.

    I know I kinda looked into the crystal ball for that one, but W A T C H!!!
    =O

  • jordanbakersays

    60 for 1 isn't really that impressive, especially while doing 10 to your bench. I don't think donphan will see much play after the first weekend of states.

  • jordanbakersays

    I feel like you haven't played many good decks yet, if you are still so confident with this deck. I've seen it lose to Straight champ, flychamp, gengar, and jumpluff. My friend playing it at league the other night didn't win a single game. its just not very competitive.

  • jordanbakersays

    I feel like you haven't played many good decks yet, if you are still so confident with this deck. I've seen it lose to Straight champ, flychamp, gengar, and jumpluff. My friend playing it at league the other night didn't win a single game. its just not very competitive.

  • jordanbakersays

    my thoughts exactly. right now, its just “meh”.

  • jordanbakersays

    my thoughts exactly. right now, its just “meh”.

  • ofr3ako

    I don't believe straight Champ would be an issue. Gengar could be rough, but it depends. FlyChamp only if they are playing Restructure Palkia for gust capabilities. Jumpluff is supposed to be rough, but that hasn't earned a spot in the “competitive” world just yet. Nor has Donphan. I will find out this weekend about the 'Pluff, but common sense would tell you the matchup wouldn't be easy.

    I will agree to disagree about the competitiveness of the deck.

  • ofr3ako

    But Kingra is I suppose?

  • jordanbakersays

    I haven't seen many kingdra decks recently either.

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    Kingdra does 20 to your opponent's bench though which can add up. I know Alex Brosseau who is a really good player has been playing Kingdra every single tournament the last year, so it can't be too bad.

  • pokefart

    A really good card to have in this deck would be a Quagsire GL for the poke body. (submerge)

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    But the bench damage is spread…it doesn't get placed all on one
    benched Pokemon. There is really no point to Quagsire. You could just
    not put a Pokemon down and that would be just as effective.

  • The Breeder

    Hmm I'm a bit conservative towards seeing Donphan making it into the top-cut in tournaments. It's amazing early on, but what happens if your opponent survives the onslaught and start getting out powerful Stage 2's. Also demanding only fighting energies for its attacks, disable the use of special energies. Maybe they aren't that big of the problem.

    The biggest problem is if it get too common in the environment. Then people will start teching in the good old dragon DNA Gyarados. I would really like to see Donphan play around it? Hitting it with either attacks, makes Donphan a OHKO victim the next turn. That Gyarados is also extremely easy to tech in, since it demands only a colorless to flail.

  • Willy G

    I think best build with Donphan is the Manectric one, with a couple changes:
    -2 Lightning Energy
    -1 Luxury Ball
    -1 Broken Time-Space
    +1 Blissey'
    +1 Chansey PT
    +1 Memory Berry
    +1 Devoluter

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  • SolemnParty

    No, you've pretty much nailed it. It's made to swing for 60-80 (with expert belt) and even 90-110 with Heavy Impact if it gets to that point.

  • blooper785

    no claydols there just on the bench to be destroyed throw in Blissey prime its much better

  • blooper785

    no claydols there just on the bench to be destroyed throw in Blissey prime its much better

  • Dylan

    i really like the all donphan deck but coould you give me one for after the cycle??? just semd it to my email dylanschmidt3@yahoo.com

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