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  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    Hope it gets posted soon :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordandbaker Jordan Baker

    how are you going to write an article about MD-on Machamp Lv X or Machamp Prime?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339406775 Matthew Riddle

    This sentence catches my attention: “If you just happen to run into an evolution deck (which will be extremely slow without Claydol) you can level up and use Strong Willed for 100 damage every turn.”

    1) Machamp is an evolution deck. By your own words, you should both be on a level ground (speed-wise) if you are both evolution decks.
    2) The only way your doing 100 every turn with Strong Willed is if you have an Expert Belt attached to Machamp Lv.X. I know you mention it in the techs department, but your statement states the use of doing 100 as if it's an easy thing that you can start doing almost instantly. You need the double colorless energy (or 3 consecutive turns of attaching), the machamp lv.X, and the expert belt to pull it off on turn 3. It may be harder to pull off as you say.
    3) Machamp Lv.X's No Guard Poke-Body also helps the opponent deal 60 more damage to you. Jumpluff can easily one-shot the Machamp Lv.X if it can get past the Strong Willed flip. Even more, if you do flip for Strong Willed, a Crobat G drop the next turn nets the other player 2 prizes without an attack.

    You suggest Banette as a way of discarding cards, but I kind of feel like many players will be unwilling to discard multiple cards from their hand, cards that could be useful later, cards that can't be gotten back because their supporters or trainers or stadiums, just so they can lay down another uxie right afterward and draw a few more cards. Each time you lay down another uxie, your hand gets harder and harder to find cards to discard. You may be holding onto the machamp-rare candy while hoping to draw into a machop, or you have the machamp lv.X and expert belt, but no machamp yet. Also, SP decks can just power spray a Uxie drop to kind of capitalize on you dropping your hand low purposefully. I just don't think Banette is the answer to draw next format.

    I think Machamp has a blessing coming into the next format with no Unown G but a curse now that decks like Kingdra and Jumpluff from the last 2 sets have come into the picture. Focus on SP pokemon has ended and Machamp won't have that easy ride for that much longer.

    I think machamp makes a decent tech into a deck, but I think it's matchups against other evolution decks is poor and unreliable. You must use Machamp Lv.X to get to the same level damage-wise as these other Evolution decks and in doing so, you only help those other decks do more damage. I do think Karate King or whatever the supporter in the upcoming japanese set will help out Machamp (and pretty much every other deck) a lot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    this is MD-on machamp donk…. read the article and get ur answers :0

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    1. Machamp is run for speed, not like t-tar or any other deck…

    2. poke drawrs + and uxies is all I need, I can, if needed, go through my whole deck T1 with uxies and banette and get all the cards I need to donk.

    3. like I said, it's more about donking… not late game….

    SP will still rule the format unfortunetly

    Black Belt is the card that is coming out, it might help some but I think it does fine by it's self

    thanks for your comments

    Cam

    • 2decktom

      Yeah, but getting out Poke drawers + may be hard because you’ve got all the other cards in your deck to worry about and some may be prized. But Poke Drawer + can be very useful for getting those cards you need, like both halves of a legend.

  • Tomic2505

    Nice article Cam. I've never even seen that banette before. It's pretty good. I might get one just to put in my gyarados deck. It might just be what i was looking for to speed up the deck a little bit. I really want to know what those secret techs you were talking about are :P Good luck at battle roads. And have you seen machamp prime. It seems like it could go with this machamp and donphan pretty well. I'm not sure if adding all of those cards in list like this would be worth it. It would probably slow it down to much. And one more thing. Does anybody know if your allowed to level up a prime card. In this case machamp prime to machamp LV X?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordandbaker Jordan Baker

    you didn't say that it is machamp donk in the article.

  • WEQ

    THIS CAM KID IS SUCK A FUCKING HOMO……..THIS ARTICLE TOLD US NOTHING OR GAVE US ANY NEW INSIGHT……DURRR MACHAMP IS AN SP COUNTER…..DERR UNNOWN G IS OUT….. SUCK A DICK CAM AND STOP WRITING ARTICLES

  • Cpeterik

    In my testing Regice will work wonders > Bannette. Drop 2 bad cards to Set Up for more. It also gives you a decent out against Spiritomb which will slow your set up to a halt. They have to not only open, but drop double Spiritomb in opening hand to really counter Regice.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XVNTS6D43ALI4GW74Q22WXNPZU Red Ados

      its great in theory but its got THREE retreat. Too much to save when its bright looked.

  • Cpeterik

    You also forgot that Machamp can't take out all Pokemon SP. Toxicroak G PL will make a comeback if Machamp rises like we think it will. A ToxiTank tech into any SP deck only takes up about 4 spots (Toxicroak G, Skuntank G, a couple Stadiums), and it is devastating against Machamp.

  • Cpeterik

    “Luxray GL (and the Level X)
    Some crazy people say that is is very useful to be able to bring up any of your opponent’s Pokemon, I personally do not like it.”

    lol

  • Absolution

    Machamp is a great deck, (perfect for noobs) basically cuz the donk and the anti SP matter… however it would only get a win or two at a competitive play, even with the ability to OHKO every single basic, SP it's an onslaught of pure destruction and machamp it's just about donk'n basics in early turns OR DEATH

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XVNTS6D43ALI4GW74Q22WXNPZU Red Ados

      you are wrong there. Machamp, if played right (not this list) can be the BDIF.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    it was implied, I thought that you knew that Machamp was used to donk…

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    yes, you can level up a prime. I was thinking about using the prime to counter evolution decks, but that means only 2 donk champs…. maybe I'll drop the Lv. X

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XVNTS6D43ALI4GW74Q22WXNPZU Red Ados

      x is better than prime

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    SP can't drop 4 spots, it has like 2 tech spots if you want a fast list…

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    I tested Regice, and I like benette better, because if you have 10 cards in your hand, you can discard all 10 (KOing Banette) and draw 7.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    It was suggested to me sooo many times, but I tested with it, and it fails badly unless you use cyrus. but theres no room.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    if I get t1 set up, and they can't use unown G… they have to use toxicroak to beat me. I can easil kill toxicroak with hurricane punch…

  • http://twitter.com/GTP24 Poteet24

    I don't think its implied, I would have never guessed…Machamp can do stuff other than donk

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZETUB3TM3ZC4KJULZ4PYPEJR7I Tony

    I really like the fact that Machamp can make a comeback and keep the SP decks in check.

    Your take on a Bannette/Uxie engine is interesting, but every non-SP deck is going to face a challenge for a while. One other possibility is to run a heavy supporter/call energy/spiritomb combo which I have found works really well with Stage 2 decks. Another combo with this strategy is to run the new Vileplume as a tech to keep a trainer lock on which will be another great way to counter SP decks. Just something you might want to try out, but I hope to see Machamp do well next season! Thanks for the good article.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

    i perfer unown rs and rescues.

  • Luke

    yeah i don't see what's so great about it either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordandbaker Jordan Baker

    where was it implied?

  • mewuk85

    HA HA H HA Lol………

  • mewuk85

    Article not bad tired of old cards cant wait till the 7th pre release.

  • mewuk85

    agreed

  • mewuk85

    ?????????

  • mewuk85

    agreed

  • mewuk85

    thats why you ko machop befor he can level up also, disrupting spy, can help keep him back as well as just your judge or let loose!!!!!!

  • mewuk85

    The only thing is theirs no sence in making MD on because cards come out 18 at worlds end. and you will lose if you play like this now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    lol, really? why? I don't use them because if you put 4 in the deck, you can only draw 4 cards with them… 8 if you use rescues…

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    not the tomb… anything but that! if this deck hits a spiritomb, it's game over for the first few turns.. that shuts down drawer + and candies…

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    not really, if I hat an uxie, or any means of getting an uxie, and i only have 3 other cards in my hand, chances are you just gave me a better hand.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    implied means that I thought you knew that MaChamp was for a donking… I guess I should have changed that

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    IMO it is not so great after the first few turns, it is best if you donk or get a t1 set up…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XVNTS6D43ALI4GW74Q22WXNPZU Red Ados

      wrong!!! test stuff out somewhere else besides league and in ur head

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    what seventh pre release?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    this deck idea is for BRs in the fall, and just to let you know, I went 2 weeks undefeated at league with it…

    right now you could use claydols I guess

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordandbaker Jordan Baker

    sweet brag

  • mewuk85

    in my city their having one at one of our biggest comic and card stores. on aug 7th, 2010

  • mewuk85

    huh, but even if i gave you a bad hand on a few turns could come to a quick victory! because people have seen it happen befor…. time and time again.

  • mewuk85

    league is a joke you pretty much get away with anything because your testing it. No one should take it really seriously. and no one is going to call you on it………. come on KIDDO dont take things to heart so fast. chill out!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha no one likes a poor winner :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    oh lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    you mean I cold have it come to a quick victory?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    y don't you think there is any sense of making a MD-on deck? at with the new set, it will all either be A, new cards or B reprints of cards that are legal in MD-on already… they would have released it in Japan before releasing it here

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    lol, ok I was just showing that it is not just a tech, it works as well as any other deck in the format…

  • mewuk85

    on both sides

  • mewuk85

    well its interesting, to see new deck strats and ideas but im thinking logically if we can play the cards for another 16 or so days WHYYY not. rite I think clydol is the XXXX. Lol

    But I think this set might have a few good cards. if its anything like MD then it will probably suck!!! if you get my drift evee evolutions!!!!!!!!!! come on!!!!!!!!! Lol

  • Darriangoode

    luxray gl lvx just takes advantage of a basic or weak stage 1 poke'mon that's all

  • Darriangoode

    i like the uxie/banette set up i use it in shuppet donk

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=543741636 Jason Windham

    Banette ? HAHAHA, IN YO FACE, PURPLECROAK!

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    what? you sir are an idiot :0 and banette really works…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XVNTS6D43ALI4GW74Q22WXNPZU Red Ados

      1.unown r and uxie are new draw power, not banette. I play machamp, i know. Banette stinks cept in Gyarados.
      2.Machamp is not only a donk deck, it has good late game tooo with rage and strong willed. If you deck yourself, you don’t get a late game

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    I agree

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    lol, yeah, but there is not tourneys until the season ends, and I am getting ready for BRs

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    try to be more posotive? what would you replace bannette with?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    thank you

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    yeah, but they wanted to use it to bring up a basic, free retreat/poke-turn and take out

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

    the rescue help with champ x and also nobody sprays unown rs. plus its nice for dead draws and also less muligants. If i played uxie banette and i discarded alot from my hand so i could draw and then it was sprayed… i would be pissed. Also another plus is that you can communicate unown rs if you need to.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

    SPRAY!

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    yeah well…. screw them :0

  • http://www.facebook.com/bmhill2 Brent M. Hill

    Since you're discarding a bunch of cards (which you can only do once per turn by the way) might I suggest 4 Palmer's unless you want to deck yourself. Oh and flygon lv x and giratina lv x say hi aka discard more stuff from your deck/hand. For my comment in parenthesis you can't use temper tantrum, a draw card (uxie/volkner's), followed by another temper tantrum unless you have more than one bannette in play.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    yeah, I know, that is one of the downsides of banette… but I try and get a T1 donk so, it's ok if I deck myself

  • http://www.facebook.com/Poly550 Cam Graybill

    it just takes up more space in ur deck than needed

  • Hello

    i think its nice thought but you cant discard your half deck…..its useless and what do you do if you cant donk for example if you have to start and your enemy evolves with a candy?

  • SkyAoiSora

    There are two things that are important for donk decks.

    1) They're fast. So even if you're discarding a bunch of cards, first of all, you're picking which cards you discard, and second of all, the deck is designed to win quickly.

    2) If you can't take 'em out with Take Out, you Belt your machamp and hit for 60 with one energy, or you go on for Hurricane Punch or even Rage. With machamp Lv. X, you're receiving more damage with his body (by 60) thus powering up Rage, and you can live with X's attack (20+the body's 60 is 80 dmg, 100 if belted) next turn when machamp would die, flip, if heads, down to 10 instead. Machamp also has some very nice HP, so there're many workaround if you're not able to donk.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bmhill2 Brent M. Hill

    instead of toxicroak g worry about this deoxys
    http://www.pokemon.com/us/trading-cards/databas

  • Pikey

    Yeah i agree, mainly due to the fact that Regice is basic while banette is a Stage 1 making it a lot faster play.

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