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  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

    i would still run some rainbow. it helps put damage and also helps with a sableye donk

    • Anonymous

      ^^ only with 40 or less HP donks…

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

        but witht he increase of gengar, it will ohko a gastly

      • Anonymous

        It won’t OHKO Gastly. Rainbow puts you at 50 HP, making Overconfident effectively do 10 damage. (+10 for Weakness).

      • Anonymous

        It won’t OHKO Gastly. Rainbow puts you at 50 HP, making Overconfident effectively do 10 damage. (+10 for Weakness).

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

        oh yeah i forgot lol. thanks i feel like an idiot now lol

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

        oh yeah i forgot lol. thanks i feel like an idiot now lol

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

        but witht he increase of gengar, it will ohko a gastly

  • Anonymous

    I love the idea of this deck and it seems like so much fun. I just don’t see how you can consistently get out a Combee evolved into Vespiquen with memory berry and a Damaged Vespiquen on the bench. Just seems like so much has to go right.

    I hope it works for you though, I would like to see it in action one day.

    • Anonymous

      not really, you only need 6 cards, it’s doable,

      • Anonymous

        To do it turn one you would need 2 Combee, 2 Vespiquens, Rare Candy or BTS, Memory Berry, an Energy and Unown P. That’s a minimum of 8 cards. If you do not use berry and leave a Combee as your active, even if you drop 90, then it will get knocked out the following turn.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah but with 4 Pokemon Rescues and 4 Rescue Energy you have a high chance of being able to bring it right back and hit for 90 again.

  • Anonymous

    I think this deck idea will be toyed with a little and a more solid list will emerge after BR. Not to say this isn’t a good list, but I can’t help but picture Combee paired with Luxray GL. Flash Impact a Vespiqueen for damage, Bright Look something to kill with Combee for 1 energy. A lot like the original Fulop Jumpluff ran.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sebastian-Larramendy/1221642842 Sebastian Larramendy

    i woundn’t put sableye and dark special, I think that is better for example cherrim, or another expert belt, or up to shaymin for 40 + HP. But is only an opinion.. the idea of the deck is beatfull, but we have to see if the deck run…

    • Anonymous

      i disagree, i like the idea of sableye, but no sp darks. if you donk, all you need is an energy, a bts, and an unown p. i think that for this reason you should run some calls and maybe even psys, unown p’s attack is a little lower than decent, but you might need it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sebastian-Larramendy/1221642842 Sebastian Larramendy

    i woudn’t put sableye and dark special, I think that cherrim or another expert belt or up to shaymin lvx are better for this deck, but is junst an opinion..

    You should test the deck and tell us if it’s a good deck or not, but is an original and nice idea.

    PD: I’m from argentina, and my English isn’t the best, sorry me

    • Anonymous

      I like Sableye becuz there are a lot of Spiritomb and Vileplume players in my area so Sableye helps me set up, thats just my opinion. Anyone can run Combee anyway they want, this way just works the best comepared to most builds

    • Anonymous

      I like Sableye becuz there are a lot of Spiritomb and Vileplume players in my area so Sableye helps me set up, thats just my opinion. Anyone can run Combee anyway they want, this way just works the best comepared to most builds

  • Anonymous

    This reminds me wormadam gyarados deck, wich also featured unown P, same strategy at all, but bee’s are clever dude!

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, I’d agree with Sebastian Larramendy, Shaymin LV.X would be a great tech to the deck, along with another belt to make Combee have 90HP, so it can take more hits.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

      it can easily be OHKOed in this format. flash bite+dragon rush, flash bite+earthquake+belt, T2 scizor with belt, ect…

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

      it can easily be OHKOed in this format. flash bite+dragon rush, flash bite+earthquake+belt, T2 scizor with belt, ect…

      • Anonymous

        who says it has to be active? Vespiquen UD and he’s all protected.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

        not shaymin… a belted combee when shaymin is 0n the field.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin-Garcia/676689170 Martin Garcia

        You people seem to be forgetting that combee is a basic pokemon. B-A-S-I-C.
        That means it has a recovery speed and swarming ability even higher than jumpluff, i have played against this deck, and unless you take out the damaged vespiqueen (impossible to do if its the UD vespiqueen, and pretty hard if shaymin is around) the combees will just keep coming and swarm you to death. This deck its really good, better than many people here give it credit for, its main problem being bench space. It needs to set up many things, and bench space is definitly a problem.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

        yeah i know… luxray, DGX/garchomp and gengar are its only threads to a benched vesp

      • Anonymous

        Actually Quen’s body prevents attacks if your using UD. So Gengar would have a hard time. Except of course if you are running Plume which means, no berries, Rare Candy etc.

        So it would only have a problem with Luxray and DGX/Chomp, but no one runs that anyway.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

        no it says damage not damage counters.

      • Anonymous

        Ahh, ok. Sorry.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

        no it says damage not damage counters.

  • Anonymous

    combee’s good, i think that a solid list would be a metagame deck, but the 30 hp is a problem. That’s like sending a Magikarp to attack. I would reccomend a Combee from SF or two to get the good ones back and evolve into vespiquen.

    • Anonymous

      The whole point is to attach a memory merry to vespiquen the evolve from the undaunted to use enraged assault so if you use another combee that kills the strategy

      • http://www.facebook.com/jordandbaker Jordan Baker

        In order for that to happen you have to get out two combees, two vespiqueens, unown p, a memory berry, and an energy.

        If you want to do all of that in one turn you’ll need either two rare candies or a BTS as well. This deck is just way too slow. How is this any better than Ursaring (a deck that has seen no competitive play)?

      • Anonymous

        I never said anything about the deck being slow or better than ursaring, I was just telling coolestman that combee UD is the center of the strategy so using a different one would be pointless.

      • Anonymous

        Its a lot better than Ursaring, but i agree that is way to dificult to get all the things out.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

        yeah i saw it in competitive play.. didnt do well at all. even with the best build of this. your opponent just needs to get 6 prizes and if its gengar itll do that easily.

      • Anonymous

        With an expert belt a Combee OHKO’s a Fainting Spell Gengar without the Poke-Power going into effect. Not saying it’s the smartest move but it does get rid of him.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

        yeah so gengar gets 2 prizes to your one? a better move is attack with combee without the belt then psychic restore for ko and bottom the ux

      • Anonymous

        True, It just depends on how set up they are, also if you have a Shaymin X or Snowpoint out. It just depends really. Thanks for the thought.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordandbaker Jordan Baker

    In all seriousness how is this deck any better than Ursaring Prime (which isn’t very good to begin with)? You have to set up so much stuff to make this work. I just don’t think this deck is even slightly competitive.

    • Anonymous

      Wouldn’t play this competitively, but his build is slow. Vespiqueen/ Combee has the potential to do 80 on turn one, not including the poison. I built this for fun and ran it at different leagues for a couple of weeks against Typhlosion, Steelix, Uxie Donk, LuxChomp, and some very random decks and came out on top more times than not.

      The idea of setting up with Sableye is totally wrong.

      • Anonymous

        Oh don’t forget it can swing with any kind of energy, cyclone, call, etc. Cyclone energy is this deck, along wit warp points adds some incredible disruption and easy prizes. But again, I’m just saying it’s a fun deck. I wouldn’t take it to a tourney considering the format.

      • Anonymous

        I like Sableye becuz it still give me the chance to donk as well as get everything I need to set up. I wouldnt want to take a chance of starting out with a 30 Combee active with no bench. A T1 Collector along with Communication and BTS is good, But anyway, this list is just what i’m running now, I already have several ideas with other cards but right now, this deck outspeed most. So that’s why I like it. :)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTINVJZSUMIC7GIGSQLPZQTNRA Brittany

      This deck is a lot better than Ursaring Prime because the main attacker operates on 1-2 energy instead of Ursaring’s 3-4 energies, which is much better even if you can use DCE.Also, unlike Ursaring, you don’t have a x2 weakness to Donphan. Instead, Vespiqueen has a weakness to fire, which for now at least, isn’t terrible.Plus, this deck being grass, can use Sunflora, which up there with Uxie Lv.X, Uxie and Ninetails is one of the best engines in the format.Overall, I think this deck is very good with a ton of potential. I could see this deck being something like Gyarados. When it was first release, it was pretty much rogue until it came in 8th at worlds. So, I think until someone does good with this deck, it may not receive too much hype or play. However, it deffinately has the potential to do so if you can focus this list and kind of make it like a really fast, stage 1 Beedrill deck.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTINVJZSUMIC7GIGSQLPZQTNRA Brittany

        Try testing out Rainbow, see which works better. Also, since ur running Sableye, try keeping in touch with Sablelock’s disruption, it may work good for this deck.

        Change Uxie to just a a single Uxie and use a 2-2 Sunflora line. Get rid of the Pokeblower and perhaps put in Pokemon Reveral. Also, get rid of 1 WP, 4 is too many, esp if you take out Uxie lv.X.

        Also, add in some SSU to save severly damaged Vespiqueen’s from a K.O. You already have 3 BTS, so it works.

  • http://twitter.com/T0nu Tonu Taitto

    First I want to say this article was nice to read. I can see that this version of Combee list does have some potential, but I like more about the Combee/Shaymin/Buck/PlusPower/Defender list that I’m currently testing out. I have noticed that Warp Energies works really well in this deck as long as you have some 0 Retreat Pokémon on your bench (ie Uxie or Shaymin with Unown Q waiting for level up). I wouldn’t suggest to play this deck on tournaments until Rescue Energy hits the format since this deck will be much better then.

    Newertheless, Combee is smexiest card of the UD set.
    PS: It doesn’t mean it’s the best card of the UD set.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shining-Yue/1018279749 Shining Yue

    I love Combee since i saw it in Revived Legends. I tested a list with Sunflora, Shaymin, Snowpoint, 2 belts, and 4 calls. Trust me, even if it need a lot of pokemons, in most cases I got a full setup by t2 or t3 (becasue the list itself was centered on speed).

    Though our decklists and general idea are different (because you center the deck around a memoried vespiqueen), I highly recommend a 1-1 sunflora line, it really speeds up the recovery speed (“speeds up the speed”, i know).

    Btw, Hi to Sebastian, it’s nice to see a fellow countryman here. We are 3 now I think.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZETUB3TM3ZC4KJULZ4PYPEJR7I Tony

    Hey, really cool idea, and great job on your first article! I liked combee when I saw it came out. 80-90 damage for 1 colorless??? Are you kidding me??!??

    I really like your Unown P idea and didn’t remember what this card did. I agree with others who have noted that at least a 1-1 Sunflora would be great for this deck.

    The other challenge with this deck is the trainer lock decks which will likely see a lot of play, at least in the short-term. If you see or expect to see a lot of trainer lock decks, then you may want to look at my Jumpluff article to see how you can build a good grass deck without trainers. You’d have to tweek to fit this deck, but it’s a good start.

    Thanks for the great idea!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Jessing/552027746 Brian Jessing

    Pokes (18):
    4-4 quen (2 honey, 2 rage, 3 SF, 1 new)
    4 R
    2 Uxie
    1 P
    1-1 shaymin
    1 Q
    Energy (9):
    5 Grass
    4 Rainbow
    Trainers (33):
    4 pokeblower+
    3 BTS
    3 Memory Berry
    4 SSU
    2 Pluspower
    4 Pokedrawers+
    3 Comm
    4 Collector
    2 Bebe’s
    1 Luxury Ball
    2 Rescue
    1 NM

    My rough draft (which has since undergone changes but haven’t tested at all). On paper it should hit the t1-2 combee (barring whoever goes first) pretty close to every time.

  • Anonymous

    Awesome deck and great article, i never heard about combee

    • Anonymous

      Thanks! it’s a pretty good deck. It may not be BDIF anytime soon but it’s a fun league deck that has potential to beat up things lol

  • Pikey

    It’s a great idea, I’m glad you found the SF Vespiquen, it’s something i had overlooked.

    This is gonna be something I’ll have to make in the future :D