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  • Anonymous

    “Luxury Ball
    Let’s you get any Pokemon in the deck that is not a Lv.X

    Expert Belt
    Let’s you do 20 more damage to your opponents active at the cost of your opponent taking 2 prizes when the Pokemon with Expert Belt attached is KOed.”

    This. Don’t do THIS.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      the lack of deep thought in those 2 statement or the fact that I just completely missed the spot on what those cards do? I figured I shouldn’t go too in depth on those 2 cards as they are pretty much self explanatory in almost all decks, however, maybe I could have gone a little further to explain but I believe all decks run them for the same purpose anyways

      • Anonymous

        If it is self explanatory, let it be self explanatory. Good writing is concise writing. 80% of the people who read this article skipped right over the part I quoted, and that is a fact.

      • Anonymous

        By the way, I’m sorry if this came across as rude. It is not an attack on you or your knowledge. But you need to learn to give your readers more credit.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        oh no, thanks for your in put :) i’m glad, I was thinking whether I should have put some of those cards in the article or not and decided to for those who just started out. Thanks for the advice and I’ll be sure to remind myself when I write another article

      • Anonymous

        Yeah. No problemo. Again, no hard feelings. Just remember that if something in your article forces your reader to check out Bulbapedia for the scan of a card, that’s usually a good thing. It drags your reader in deeper and makes them more involved.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        Thanks :) your a great help :D maybe Adam will someday notice me and put me on as a staff writer when I’m capable xD

      • Anonymous

        I skipped over it ;)

    • Anonymous

      The card or the “let us?” I’ll agree about the “let us.” :p

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, I’m going with everyone else on this one, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
      Are you trying to criticize his card choice? they’re pretty standard cards in any Stage 2 deck…

      • Anonymous

        HA. No. I am criticizing how there is a list of cards and he just says what they do pretty much verbatim. What’s the point? We can read scans if we have to. Everyone in the whole damn world knows what Expert Belt and Luxury Ball do. Maybe explain why they are good specific to Gyarados or don’t explain anything at all and let it be self explanatory. To be blunt, you are treating the readers of 6P like idiots, feeling the need to explain what a card like Luxury Ball does. Come on. I see lists that take to this format on the ‘Gym, going down the line of every card in the deck, but actually explaining why they are pertinent to the deck at hand. Stating what a card does is extremely condescending.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you that a lot of articles are filled with non-sense and superfluous writing, but at the same time, you can easily get your point across without being so contentious. If you haven’t noticed, almost 50% of the writers on this site that aren’t an approved staff writer/underground writer are novices and hence can’t write very good articles.
        Condescending though? I’m not sure about that. More just a waste of our time.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah. It is the superfluous text that really bugs me. As I said a minute ago, I didn’t mean to come off as rude or as attacking the writer, just advice that if you treat your reader with respect, they will get more out of it. And I think most of us want to stick to the belief that if you “Can’t write very good articles”, you shouldn’t submit them.

      • Anonymous

        Yup, I agree. Which is why I think it’s great that Adam is limiting the amount of articles per day and actually making some qualifications you need to write an article. You seem to be really concise with your thoughts, why don’t you write more articles? :p

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, I am in the middle of a few. Thanks! Should be up fairly soon.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        I thought it was apretty good article cuz I wrote it Xd I’ll definately work on being more precise in my articles :D thanks for your input

      • Anonymous

        I liked your tech section and match-up section as well, the Mew Prime idea was actually pretty clever. I might consider it if I ever make a Gyarados deck :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        i have a rogue gyarados deck thats almost done if youd like to see it, i can post the deck here uses Absol Prime, Mew Prime, Gyarados, Rescue Energies xD

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        i have a rogue gyarados deck thats almost done if youd like to see it, i can post the deck here uses Absol Prime, Mew Prime, Gyarados, Rescue Energies xD

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, I’m going with everyone else on this one, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
      Are you trying to criticize his card choice? they’re pretty standard cards in any Stage 2 deck…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan-Wiley/100000806028921 Jonathan Wiley

    Great read, nice looking deck.

    I never really thought about how Gengar Prime would effect the Gyarados Decks. Even putting 1 Magikarp in the lost zone could be crucial. I’d almost go the extra length and possibly even over exaggerate a bit with the decks discarding power to make sure you don’t ‘Lost Zoned’. I also like the Warp Energy to Seeker move, for Gengar Prime, cause if he by chance kills that Gyarados, that Magikarp is gone as well because of the power. And I also feel that Seeker will become a most in almost every deck as long as its in the format.

    Don’t honestly know my way around a Gyarados Deck list, but I thought I’d give my 2cents on the over exaggeration of discarding items. But anyway was a great read, and very helpful if I ever decide to go in the way of the Gyarados.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AZ7MP235S56SS6AWRV6ML34KEM dude

    IMO on the VileGar with prime tech matchup, I think you dont need to worry about it nearly as much as you are suggesting. lets think it out, theorymon style

    - you start sableye, they start tomb/whatever. you impersonate collector for karp/karp/regice (assuming you have none of these things on your field/in hand already.

    - they have to have, in hand, a way to get BTS, gastly, haunter, gengar, psychic, unown q on their first turn. I dont think that is gonna happen very much, and they also need to know to lost zone your magikarps.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AZ7MP235S56SS6AWRV6ML34KEM dude

    IMO on the VileGar with prime tech matchup, I think you dont need to worry about it nearly as much as you are suggesting. lets think it out, theorymon style

    - you start sableye, they start tomb/whatever. you impersonate collector for karp/karp/regice (assuming you have none of these things on your field/in hand already.

    - they have to have, in hand, a way to get BTS, gastly, haunter, gengar, psychic, unown q on their first turn. I dont think that is gonna happen very much, and they also need to know to lost zone your magikarps.

  • Anonymous

    1-1-1-1 Garchomp LV X!!! Restore FTW!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      or tech in mew and garchomp lv x
      use mew to lost zone garchomp lv x, if mew stays active, use restore, mew gets knocked out? use pokemon resuce

      • Anonymous

        Ha Ha! I love it!!!

    • Anonymous

      again, way too slow

    • Anonymous

      Or try a 1-1 Infernape 4 LV. X for a “free” Cyclone every turn for a KO every turn on weak Benchlings.

  • Anonymous

    What about floatzel gl lv x instead of combee? They KO a gyarados, it goes straight back to your hand and you have it play again next turn.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      way too slow

    • Anonymous

      It’s a choice. He’s a rescue energy in pokemon form… for water types as you state. I think about it this way:

      Pokemon Rescues can be trainer locked. Components of a 1-1 Floatzel Gl X line can be prized. It would be highly unlikely for (4) of your rescue energy to be prized, and seeing as how Gyarados is concerned with energy attachment for game mechanic rather than for attack, it seems to be the superior play.

  • Anonymous

    that mew is a great idea. Too bad its HP stinks.

  • Anonymous

    Rescue Energy has been ruled to pick up all pokemon cards in the discarded stack. That means that you get back both Magikarp and Gyarados, which might give it preference over the traditional Pokemon Rescue.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001734489773 Dakota Streck

      That’s good.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      holy mother of jesus? really? :D:D:D now im just really happy

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      But it also is pretty annoying :( Imagine Gengar SF with Rescue Energy… :(

      • Anonymous

        :(

    • Anonymous

      would unown q as a tool be returned?

      • Anonymous

        Sadly, No.

        Once attached to a pokemon it becomes a tool. However, when it reaches the discard/lost zone, it reverts to a pokemon… for better or worse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shining-Yue/1018279749 Shining Yue

    Rescue Energy returns Gyarados AND Magikarp, it’s on the Clash at the Summit FAQ.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      I didn’t know that XD but that is great news… man I’m definately gonna ahve to scrap my DialgaChomp xD SP has been boring me

    • Anonymous

      That will certainly cut down the number of Pokemon Rescues played, and mabeyeven render Combee SF useless(?).

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        Meh, placing damage counter, moving damage counter still puts them at the discard pile, for gyarados that dont run DGX or good VileGar counters, this could be win or lose situation, I would tech in Combee SF, run 3 Resuce and r4 Rescue energy xD

  • Anonymous

    I have just finished a Gyarados deck 2 days ago. I took out a pokemon rescue from my deck, I had 61 cards in it. Anyways I think less rescues are needed because rescue energies just get gyarados back and it isn’t a trainer. (Vilegar) I run 3 rescue’s

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      running Pokemon Rescue is still vital as placing dmg counter will still send it tot he discard pile, which means you need a secondary route

  • Anonymous

    My only concern with relying on rescue energy is that placing damage counters will get around it. This could be a big disadvantage vs Vilegar.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      lol shadow rooming will take 5 turns on a non belted Gyarados, and if my gyarados is in range of getting KOed by Shadow room or the 4 dmg counter thing from Gengar Prime, I’ll just pick it all up with hunter

      • Anonymous

        Excellent point. Combinations of a high damage poltergeist with a shadow room would be the problem. As you mention it is not a huge concern with SSU and Hunter but something to be aware of at least.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        right now, I run 1-1 DGX in my list to counter VileGar so all my trainers are viable in most cases XD Except the fact that in my newer lsit with Triumphant I dont have a DGX cuz of the lack of room xD

  • Anonymous

    more techs:Blissey Prime to healSpec Dark to Sabledonk (If you do this and mew prime, absol prime works to do 80+ and lost zone gdos)
    mankey to ko luxray x
    returnown to reuse drop spesh energy and avoid the wrath of blissey prime.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      special Dark was mentioned, Blissey Prime is a good one tho cuz of seeker xD excpet Blissey Prime will take the rescue energy off :( i think

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XVNTS6D43ALI4GW74Q22WXNPZU Red Ados

    Blissey Pl is fun, npt comeptitive but still fun

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=900990178 John Kettler

    The best thing about Rescue Energy for Gyarados is not so that you can combat the decks that can sneak around it, but so that you can deal with those that smash directly into Gyaradoses in order to win. Besides, if Gengar is doing less than 150 but enough to put you within Shadow Room firing range, you can always Warp Energy/Seeker it away.

    Seeker, btw, seems like it should be a mandatory card in this deck. It’s too good NOT to play, mainly for the ability to automatically heal your Gyara.