Gyarados Revised for Battle Roads

Written by | September 18, 2009 | 127 comments | 4,859 views | Rating: 0

Hey everyone, I had said I would post an updated Gyarados list once I got a chance to play some Pokemon cards this week, so here it is!

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4 Sableye SF
4 Magikarp SF (not too picky on which set)
4 Gyarados SF
1 Baltoy GE
1 Claydol GE
1 Azelf LA
1 Uxie LA
1 Regice LA (Registeel LA would work too)
3 Crobat G PL
2 Unown G GE 		Trainers-31
4 Roseanne’s Research
3 Bebe’s Search
2 Luxury Ball
4 Felicity’s Drawing
1 VS Seeker
4 Broken Time-Space
4 TGI Poke Turn
4 Warp Point
4 Pokemon Rescue
1 Time-Space Distortion 		Energy-7
4 Call Energy
3 Cyclone Energy

Gyarados Stormfront SF 19 Pokemon CardI got a chance to test a handful of games Thursday night at this is what I ended up with after making many changes after each game I played.

I am sure there are many more ways to play Gyarados, but I didn’t have a chance to try them all out. Alternative strategies would be to take advantage of Pokemon cards like Luxray GL LV.X, Super Scoop Up, and PlusPower.

My strategy with this list is to get Gyarados out as soon as possible and take cheap prizes every turn via Warp Points and Cyclone Energy. Your opponent will probably not have any Pokemon out with much more than 90 HP on their bench, though their active attacker might take you more than 1 shot to take down.

If possible, don’t even touch that active Pokemon and simply take down your opponent’s bench, 1 by 1, turn after turn. Gyarados can seriously draw a prize every single turn once you get going.

I will probably use this at one Battle Road this weekend and Gengar / Machamp at the other, but I just wanted to make sure I got this posted so everyone could at least see it. Hopefully you found this list and strategy at least somewhat interesting. Stay tuned to our Twitter for live updates from around the country this weekend!

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  • http://twitter.com/kwisdumb kwisdumb

    Hm, looks like a pretty solid list. Will you be doing a tournament report of the BRs you attend?

    If you’re looking for advice, I don’t really think the Crobat G needs a 3 line, maybe cut it down to 2? I also like running Floatzel Lv. X in this deck, although not many people agree with me, ha. I think Regice is the best choice here, but I see most people playing Registeel for some reason.

    It kind of seems like your Felicity’s line is a little high, but I don’t generally play that card, and I can see why you would need it in this deck. Have you considered Volkner’s as well?

    I think, with the inclusion of Sableye, at least one Special Dark Energy should be played, just on the off-chance you can make the game a little quicker/easier for yourself. ;)

    Good list, hope you win!

    • WDIF

      There is a Compedium ruling that you may use Regi Heal when Registeel has no damage counters on him, but your opponent must have a basic active for you to use Regi Heal. Sometimes you will need the discard, but if your opponent has an evolved Pokemon active, you will do less damage. You can Warp or Cyclone a basic to the active position this build, but at that point why not just use Registeel since your opponent will switch their Poemon again?

      Crobat is necessary in this deck to push after a Gyarados is KO’d and even more important in this version with 4 Warp Point. Unless you have 4 out of 5 benched (Claydol, Azelf, Uxie, Regice and Sableye) you will have room for two Crobat G’s.

      I really like this list Adam, much more aquirable than the SP variant with Luxray and Toxicroak. Chatot could help but can be a liability late game if you aren’t careful with Luxray GL around. As posted previously Night Maintenance can be beter than Time-Space Distortion. 4 Broken Time-Space seems high with a maximum 7 evolutions.

  • http://twitter.com/kwisdumb kwisdumb

    Hm, looks like a pretty solid list. Will you be doing a tournament report of the BRs you attend?

    If you’re looking for advice, I don’t really think the Crobat G needs a 3 line, maybe cut it down to 2? I also like running Floatzel Lv. X in this deck, although not many people agree with me, ha. I think Regice is the best choice here, but I see most people playing Registeel for some reason.

    It kind of seems like your Felicity’s line is a little high, but I don’t generally play that card, and I can see why you would need it in this deck. Have you considered Volkner’s as well?

    I think, with the inclusion of Sableye, at least one Special Dark Energy should be played, just on the off-chance you can make the game a little quicker/easier for yourself. ;)

    Good list, hope you win!

    • WDIF

      There is a Compedium ruling that you may use Regi Heal when Registeel has no damage counters on him, but your opponent must have a basic active for you to use Regi Heal. Sometimes you will need the discard, but if your opponent has an evolved Pokemon active, you will do less damage. You can Warp or Cyclone a basic to the active position this build, but at that point why not just use Registeel since your opponent will switch their Poemon again?

      Crobat is necessary in this deck to push after a Gyarados is KO’d and even more important in this version with 4 Warp Point. Unless you have 4 out of 5 benched (Claydol, Azelf, Uxie, Regice and Sableye) you will have room for two Crobat G’s.

      I really like this list Adam, much more aquirable than the SP variant with Luxray and Toxicroak. Chatot could help but can be a liability late game if you aren’t careful with Luxray GL around. As posted previously Night Maintenance can be beter than Time-Space Distortion. 4 Broken Time-Space seems high with a maximum 7 evolutions.

  • PokePockets

    Cyclone Energy? Interesting.

    I would put in 1 Special Dark so you can get the Sableye donk, I actually saw that happen quite a bit at Worlds.

    I would play Magikarp SF just for the sake so if you start with it, you can at least have the opportunity to draw cards.

    It looks pretty good.

  • PokePockets

    Cyclone Energy? Interesting.

    I would put in 1 Special Dark so you can get the Sableye donk, I actually saw that happen quite a bit at Worlds.

    I would play Magikarp SF just for the sake so if you start with it, you can at least have the opportunity to draw cards.

    It looks pretty good.

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    The only problem is there is no way to search out the special dark and I just feel like the chance of getting that turn 1 donk is very low, even if you do play 4 special darks.

  • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

    The only problem is there is no way to search out the special dark and I just feel like the chance of getting that turn 1 donk is very low, even if you do play 4 special darks.

  • PokePockets

    That is a good point. I just feel in a deck that isn’t very energy consuming, you could use it even not to get the donk. Maybe a couple of Flash Bites and that extra 10 from the Dark energy can get you a KO

    Who knows

  • PokePockets

    That is a good point. I just feel in a deck that isn’t very energy consuming, you could use it even not to get the donk. Maybe a couple of Flash Bites and that extra 10 from the Dark energy can get you a KO

    Who knows

  • Xicious

    Oh snap, now that I know what adam’s playing I’m gonna tech against you hardcore son. Show these kids that six prizes aint nothing. Thug life.

  • Xicious

    Oh snap, now that I know what adam’s playing I’m gonna tech against you hardcore son. Show these kids that six prizes aint nothing. Thug life.

  • kiwill

    Interesting list :)
    Keep us updated with your results please.

  • kiwill

    Interesting list :)
    Keep us updated with your results please.

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    Thanks for that info WDIF! Registeel is definitely the better play in that case.

    I’m planning to play this tomorrow, so I’ll let everyone know how it does.

    I went 3-2 today, didn’t make the top cut. I’ll post about the decks I played against on Monday or Tuesday.

    Check the twitter for updates, doeiqts has been giving round by round updates (as did I) so check it out! http://www.sixprizes.com/twitter

    • WDIF

      Cancel that. I got confused between the Regi’s. Actually you can use Regi Move regardless of your opponent’s actve Pokemon. It’s Regirock that must satisfy a condition other discarding two cards to use his power (a [F] energy must be in the discard pile.)

      I believe that Steel is the play because with Cyclone and Warp Point you can switch their Pokemon at your will. You will always want to remove damage with Regi Heal but sometimes will want to keep their active basic out if it is a threat or helping them set up.

  • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

    Thanks for that info WDIF! Registeel is definitely the better play in that case.

    I’m planning to play this tomorrow, so I’ll let everyone know how it does.

    I went 3-2 today, didn’t make the top cut. I’ll post about the decks I played against on Monday or Tuesday.

    Check the twitter for updates, doeiqts has been giving round by round updates (as did I) so check it out! http://www.sixprizes.com/twitter

    • WDIF

      Cancel that. I got confused between the Regi’s. Actually you can use Regi Move regardless of your opponent’s actve Pokemon. It’s Regirock that must satisfy a condition other discarding two cards to use his power (a [F] energy must be in the discard pile.)

      I believe that Steel is the play because with Cyclone and Warp Point you can switch their Pokemon at your will. You will always want to remove damage with Regi Heal but sometimes will want to keep their active basic out if it is a threat or helping them set up.

  • Louis

    I have tested Gyarados quite extensively and I must say this list looks rather bad to me. Unknown G is not needed at all and you want 1 switch and 1 warp point unless flygon is huge in your area not the 4 listed. 4 garados is also unnessicary unless you simply prefer it. Finialy why is there no Luxray counter your prize trade with them is 2-1 since they can powerspray your crobats and kill your claydols early. A froggy promo or a Mankey is almost required. But this is just my opinion this might work differently for you.

    • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

      What does your list look like?

  • Louis

    I have tested Gyarados quite extensively and I must say this list looks rather bad to me. Unknown G is not needed at all and you want 1 switch and 1 warp point unless flygon is huge in your area not the 4 listed. 4 garados is also unnessicary unless you simply prefer it. Finialy why is there no Luxray counter your prize trade with them is 2-1 since they can powerspray your crobats and kill your claydols early. A froggy promo or a Mankey is almost required. But this is just my opinion this might work differently for you.

    • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

      What does your list look like?

  • Louis

    Also you can use Regice power if they are evolved
    Q. Can I use Regirock’s “Regi Cycle”, or Registeel’s “Regi Heal”, or Regice’s “Regi Move” Poke-POWER if I only have one card in my hand?
    A. No, you must be able to discard two cards in order to use Regi Cycle, Regi Heal, or Regi Move. (Sep 18, 2008 PUI Rules Team)

    Q. Can you discard 2 cards from your hand with Regice’s “Regi Move” Poke-POWER even if the opponent’s Defending Pokemon is not a Basic Pokemon? Or what if they have no Benched Pokemon?
    A. Yes, but then you cannot switch the opponent’s Defending Pokemon. (Sep 4, 2008 PUI Rules Team; Jan 22, 2009 PUI Rules Team)

    • Gman

      About the Regi’s, I’m not sure if you can discard with Regice even if your opponent has a non-basic active pokemon, but I think not, that’s why some people prefer Registeel over Regice because you can discard cards even if your opponent’s active pokemon is evolved or not, but for me I like Regice better because if you’re up against an sp deck it ruins their strategy a little bit and besides I only use Regice when I see my opponent’s active pokemon is not evolved and I need to get a quick kill.

      Adam, can you please comment on the Regi powers thanks.

      • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

        Straight from the Compendium…

        Q. Can you discard 2 cards from your hand with Regice’s “Regi Move” Poke-POWER even if the opponent’s Defending Pokemon is not a Basic Pokemon? Or what if they have no Benched Pokemon?
        A. Yes, but then you cannot switch the opponent’s Defending Pokemon. (Sep 4, 2008 PUI Rules Team; Jan 22, 2009 PUI Rules Team)

        so yes!

  • Louis

    Also you can use Regice power if they are evolved
    Q. Can I use Regirock’s “Regi Cycle”, or Registeel’s “Regi Heal”, or Regice’s “Regi Move” Poke-POWER if I only have one card in my hand?
    A. No, you must be able to discard two cards in order to use Regi Cycle, Regi Heal, or Regi Move. (Sep 18, 2008 PUI Rules Team)

    Q. Can you discard 2 cards from your hand with Regice’s “Regi Move” Poke-POWER even if the opponent’s Defending Pokemon is not a Basic Pokemon? Or what if they have no Benched Pokemon?
    A. Yes, but then you cannot switch the opponent’s Defending Pokemon. (Sep 4, 2008 PUI Rules Team; Jan 22, 2009 PUI Rules Team)

    • Gman

      About the Regi’s, I’m not sure if you can discard with Regice even if your opponent has a non-basic active pokemon, but I think not, that’s why some people prefer Registeel over Regice because you can discard cards even if your opponent’s active pokemon is evolved or not, but for me I like Regice better because if you’re up against an sp deck it ruins their strategy a little bit and besides I only use Regice when I see my opponent’s active pokemon is not evolved and I need to get a quick kill.

      Adam, can you please comment on the Regi powers thanks.

      • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

        Straight from the Compendium…

        Q. Can you discard 2 cards from your hand with Regice’s “Regi Move” Poke-POWER even if the opponent’s Defending Pokemon is not a Basic Pokemon? Or what if they have no Benched Pokemon?
        A. Yes, but then you cannot switch the opponent’s Defending Pokemon. (Sep 4, 2008 PUI Rules Team; Jan 22, 2009 PUI Rules Team)

        so yes!

  • PokePockets

    I personally think the list looks fine other than the fact that you could drop an Unown G, and some other filler cards and find a way to fit in a Toxi G Promo

  • PokePockets

    I personally think the list looks fine other than the fact that you could drop an Unown G, and some other filler cards and find a way to fit in a Toxi G Promo

  • kiwill

    Toxicroak promo is not needed. It was a mistake to play at worlds in the first place IMO.
    Plus, this list doesn’t even run psychic energy, would make it tricky.
    You do need Pluspowers though.

  • kiwill

    Toxicroak promo is not needed. It was a mistake to play at worlds in the first place IMO.
    Plus, this list doesn’t even run psychic energy, would make it tricky.
    You do need Pluspowers though.

  • Dave Hueglin

    From twitter – Adam: lost to frank diaz using gengar kingdra

    I’ve never heard of Gengar Kingdra, what was this list like?

  • Dave Hueglin

    From twitter – Adam: lost to frank diaz using gengar kingdra

    I’ve never heard of Gengar Kingdra, what was this list like?

  • PokePockets

    I guess PlusPower could work. You just need a way to hit back at Luxray, and I don’t like having to get back a Gyrados plus 2 Flash Bites to do it =/

  • PokePockets

    I guess PlusPower could work. You just need a way to hit back at Luxray, and I don’t like having to get back a Gyrados plus 2 Flash Bites to do it =/

  • nardd

    I really like that strategy of warp pointing and cycloning into easy knockouts. It’s almost like a psuedo luxray GL :6

    looks solid, and looks like you’re doing pretty well with it!

  • nardd

    I really like that strategy of warp pointing and cycloning into easy knockouts. It’s almost like a psuedo luxray GL :6

    looks solid, and looks like you’re doing pretty well with it!

  • Xicious

    He didn’t lose he had to go because it was getting too late. He would’ve easily won the tournament.

    • Dave Hueglin

      Xicious,

      I was just referring to the one game Adam reported that he lost vs Gengar Kingdra on Sat. I see that he played the same deck/player on Sun. at another BR and won. I’m just interested in the deck because I’ve never heard/read about that combo before.

  • Xicious

    He didn’t lose he had to go because it was getting too late. He would’ve easily won the tournament.

    • Dave Hueglin

      Xicious,

      I was just referring to the one game Adam reported that he lost vs Gengar Kingdra on Sat. I see that he played the same deck/player on Sun. at another BR and won. I’m just interested in the deck because I’ve never heard/read about that combo before.

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    I’ll try to come up with a Gengar / Kingdra deck list within the next few days, it’s an interesting deck.

    My Gyarados ran very well today. The game I lost I had 3 Magikarp and Regice Prized but I did have a decent dance at winning regardless of that. I was able to OHKO a Porygon and get rid of 5 tools, but then he played 2 Marleys (1 via Porygon 2′s power) to get 2 tools back and was able to get 5 tools on again the next turn to OHKO me. Otherwise I probably could have won that game.

    I’ll try to get a post up tomorrow about some of the stuff I played against, not sure if I am going to have time to type things up tonight but we’ll see!

  • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

    I’ll try to come up with a Gengar / Kingdra deck list within the next few days, it’s an interesting deck.

    My Gyarados ran very well today. The game I lost I had 3 Magikarp and Regice Prized but I did have a decent dance at winning regardless of that. I was able to OHKO a Porygon and get rid of 5 tools, but then he played 2 Marleys (1 via Porygon 2′s power) to get 2 tools back and was able to get 5 tools on again the next turn to OHKO me. Otherwise I probably could have won that game.

    I’ll try to get a post up tomorrow about some of the stuff I played against, not sure if I am going to have time to type things up tonight but we’ll see!

  • mariocurintianu

    Hi, friends
    Could someone post a deck that uses Rayquaza C LV.X based.
    Thank’s
    Mario

  • mariocurintianu

    Hi, friends
    Could someone post a deck that uses Rayquaza C LV.X based.
    Thank’s
    Mario

  • coheed1337

    What about Infernape 4? It would replace the cyclone energy and allow you to use the same effect every turn. Once a Gyrados is dead you could push up the ape, level it up, and then you have free retreat to get it out of there and sit on the bench. It would free up space by allowing you to drop the 3 cyclones and possibly a warp point or two.

    • Gman

      just a question what kind of infernape 4 line do you use 2-2, 1-1, 3-1?

  • coheed1337

    What about Infernape 4? It would replace the cyclone energy and allow you to use the same effect every turn. Once a Gyrados is dead you could push up the ape, level it up, and then you have free retreat to get it out of there and sit on the bench. It would free up space by allowing you to drop the 3 cyclones and possibly a warp point or two.

    • Gman

      just a question what kind of infernape 4 line do you use 2-2, 1-1, 3-1?

  • Procircuitscrub

    Can someone please tell me why people are running the regi guys? I think they are flat out awful when you can just run 4 felicity and 4 VS seeker. Honestly…why have a bad start that uses up a bench space and simply doesn’t do anything if your deck is good? I also see no need for claydol and unown G. Just play the VS seekers and Uxie. I really don’t see how this list even comes close to beating a luxray varient when they drop a lucario on the board. They will KO you every turn from 2nd turn on. My list uses 4 pluspower to get a few ko’s on their luxray x and eventually make them have a turn that they can’t attack. It also plays Poke Blowers to gust up luxrays that are being charged up on the bench and get ahead in prizes. It also needs toxicroak G for the turns that you whiff on the gyarados ko. And lastly…2 Azelf make those games with 2 magikarp prized winable. ^_^ This is what I have concluded after about 80 games of testing.

  • Procircuitscrub

    Can someone please tell me why people are running the regi guys? I think they are flat out awful when you can just run 4 felicity and 4 VS seeker. Honestly…why have a bad start that uses up a bench space and simply doesn’t do anything if your deck is good? I also see no need for claydol and unown G. Just play the VS seekers and Uxie. I really don’t see how this list even comes close to beating a luxray varient when they drop a lucario on the board. They will KO you every turn from 2nd turn on. My list uses 4 pluspower to get a few ko’s on their luxray x and eventually make them have a turn that they can’t attack. It also plays Poke Blowers to gust up luxrays that are being charged up on the bench and get ahead in prizes. It also needs toxicroak G for the turns that you whiff on the gyarados ko. And lastly…2 Azelf make those games with 2 magikarp prized winable. ^_^ This is what I have concluded after about 80 games of testing.

  • kiwill

    Regis ? simply because you can search for AND discard the magikarps on the same turn. Comes in handy with bad starts, if you start with Sableye, just don’t play it and discard it with felicity, it’s that simple. Not essential, but having this option is well worth that one space if you ask me. Also, 4 VS Seekers seems ridiculous. It is a great card in Gyarados, but 4 is far too much. Actually, your entire post doesn’t make much sense to me, do you play Porygon 2 and forgot to mention ?
    2 Karps in prizes is manageable, I don’t think you need to add a second azelf.
    One thing I do agree with you though is that this list won’t have a very good time against Luxray Gl…

    coheed > Glad someone finally mentioned him. I said on an other post here that it’s the tech Fabien and I are using ;p

  • kiwill

    Regis ? simply because you can search for AND discard the magikarps on the same turn. Comes in handy with bad starts, if you start with Sableye, just don’t play it and discard it with felicity, it’s that simple. Not essential, but having this option is well worth that one space if you ask me. Also, 4 VS Seekers seems ridiculous. It is a great card in Gyarados, but 4 is far too much. Actually, your entire post doesn’t make much sense to me, do you play Porygon 2 and forgot to mention ?
    2 Karps in prizes is manageable, I don’t think you need to add a second azelf.
    One thing I do agree with you though is that this list won’t have a very good time against Luxray Gl…

    coheed > Glad someone finally mentioned him. I said on an other post here that it’s the tech Fabien and I are using ;p

  • http://myspace.com/planal Alejandro Arboleda NJ

    Im Running Gyarados Sunday at Freehold, Im not using this decklist, mine is alot different. Although I am using Cyclones and Warps. But I added a few techs to help me take out pesky Sp decks, Flygon, and Machamp decks.

  • http://myspace.com/planal Alejandro Arboleda NJ

    Im Running Gyarados Sunday at Freehold, Im not using this decklist, mine is alot different. Although I am using Cyclones and Warps. But I added a few techs to help me take out pesky Sp decks, Flygon, and Machamp decks.

  • Procircuitscrub

    Lol…the deck plays 4 VS Seeker so that you can play felicity EVERY TURN OF THE GAME. You don’t play claydol…and only 1 uxie. Since you have both roseanne’s AND felicity in the grave because of sableye…VS seeker at 4 is amazing. 2 Karps in the prizes is an auto loss to anything named luxray, Gyarados, or Beedrill. If they power spray your only azelf…you do 30 a turn for the rest of the game. How can that be manageable? You HAVE to take a prize every turn of the game or lose. Therefore…I play 4 VS seeker and 2 azelf. The Registeel/Regice are terrible. You just play 4 call and 4 roseanne…you will always have sableye…so what’s the point?

  • Procircuitscrub

    Lol…the deck plays 4 VS Seeker so that you can play felicity EVERY TURN OF THE GAME. You don’t play claydol…and only 1 uxie. Since you have both roseanne’s AND felicity in the grave because of sableye…VS seeker at 4 is amazing. 2 Karps in the prizes is an auto loss to anything named luxray, Gyarados, or Beedrill. If they power spray your only azelf…you do 30 a turn for the rest of the game. How can that be manageable? You HAVE to take a prize every turn of the game or lose. Therefore…I play 4 VS seeker and 2 azelf. The Registeel/Regice are terrible. You just play 4 call and 4 roseanne…you will always have sableye…so what’s the point?

  • PokePockets

    Infernape 4 would be a lot harder to use than Cyclone Energy, because you can just attach Cyclone Energy, and you have to set up Infernape 4

  • PokePockets

    Infernape 4 would be a lot harder to use than Cyclone Energy, because you can just attach Cyclone Energy, and you have to set up Infernape 4

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    Nice we’ve got some good discussion going on here! That’s exactly what I want. :)

    I like to use a Regi for the reasons kiwill stated. It can often give you the opportunity to attack a turn faster than normal.

    I’ve found it hard to manage bench space, mainly because I use 3 Crobats I guess, but yeah that’s one reason why I am not sold on Infernape, but I’ll give it a second chance once I am not swamped with work.

    4 VS Seeker is an interesting idea, that’s something else I’ll try out.

    I don’t like Toxicroak just because it takes 2 energy, but Mankey SV seems like it could be worthwhile.

    If anyone uses Gyarados this weekend, report back and let everyone know how it went!

  • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

    Nice we’ve got some good discussion going on here! That’s exactly what I want. :)

    I like to use a Regi for the reasons kiwill stated. It can often give you the opportunity to attack a turn faster than normal.

    I’ve found it hard to manage bench space, mainly because I use 3 Crobats I guess, but yeah that’s one reason why I am not sold on Infernape, but I’ll give it a second chance once I am not swamped with work.

    4 VS Seeker is an interesting idea, that’s something else I’ll try out.

    I don’t like Toxicroak just because it takes 2 energy, but Mankey SV seems like it could be worthwhile.

    If anyone uses Gyarados this weekend, report back and let everyone know how it went!

  • kiwill

    Procircuitscrub > Not saying your version is bad, but it’s so much less flexible IMO. I guess it all comes down to personal taste anyways…
    Also, when you call for Sableye, you loose a turn. Personaly if I don’t start with it, I usually don’t bother using Sableye unless I’m kinda stuck with a dead hand.

    As for azelf : what are the odds of having more than one karp prized ? Slim right? Ok now, what are the odds of this happening to you against your worst matchup in an event, and with the exact situation you described? And during the swiss (since bot3 kinda eliminates that problem in the top cut)? Even slimmer. Sure it CAN happen, but do you really think it’s worth putting that second Azelf in the deck for this?
    Just so you know, I’m not opposed to having 2 azelf in every deck, I play 2 in Beedrill for example (bad experiences…). But with Gyarados it’s just so hard to find space, and there is some much more important cards to put in (I’m tempted to say Regi :p)

    PokePockets > from my experience, having basic energys is a huge asset. With Infernape you can keep the switching effect all game (which isn’t THAT important anyways), the advantages of running basic energys, plus you can win a couple of slots in the deck.

    • PokePockets

      Basic Energy? What kind of basic energy do you run? Does your list allow for Infernape 4 to attack?

  • kiwill

    Procircuitscrub > Not saying your version is bad, but it’s so much less flexible IMO. I guess it all comes down to personal taste anyways…
    Also, when you call for Sableye, you loose a turn. Personaly if I don’t start with it, I usually don’t bother using Sableye unless I’m kinda stuck with a dead hand.

    As for azelf : what are the odds of having more than one karp prized ? Slim right? Ok now, what are the odds of this happening to you against your worst matchup in an event, and with the exact situation you described? And during the swiss (since bot3 kinda eliminates that problem in the top cut)? Even slimmer. Sure it CAN happen, but do you really think it’s worth putting that second Azelf in the deck for this?
    Just so you know, I’m not opposed to having 2 azelf in every deck, I play 2 in Beedrill for example (bad experiences…). But with Gyarados it’s just so hard to find space, and there is some much more important cards to put in (I’m tempted to say Regi :p)

    PokePockets > from my experience, having basic energys is a huge asset. With Infernape you can keep the switching effect all game (which isn’t THAT important anyways), the advantages of running basic energys, plus you can win a couple of slots in the deck.

    • PokePockets

      Basic Energy? What kind of basic energy do you run? Does your list allow for Infernape 4 to attack?

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    Oh yeah I also agree that only 1 Azelf is needed, if more than 2 Magikarp are prized that’s just terrible luck that could happen to any deck.

  • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

    Oh yeah I also agree that only 1 Azelf is needed, if more than 2 Magikarp are prized that’s just terrible luck that could happen to any deck.

  • coheed1337

    Yeah I’m running it tomorrow. I just built a list up today and added in the Infernape. I didnt have much of a problem getting it out but it didnt really seem like the effect was all that crucial. I love the deck but the whole switching thing doesnt seem that great to me. It feels like youre avoiding the problem by taking out lesser pokemon that probably arent going to be hurting you anytime soon. It’s like ok I just gave up a 2-hit ko on there Flygon Lv.X so I could kill an Uxie, its like so what? What exactly was that Uxie going to do to me? I feel the deck should be more focused on the consistant kills achieved with the Gyrados which would be best achieved by running 4 pluspowers to get kills generally thought unachieveable.

  • coheed1337

    Yeah I’m running it tomorrow. I just built a list up today and added in the Infernape. I didnt have much of a problem getting it out but it didnt really seem like the effect was all that crucial. I love the deck but the whole switching thing doesnt seem that great to me. It feels like youre avoiding the problem by taking out lesser pokemon that probably arent going to be hurting you anytime soon. It’s like ok I just gave up a 2-hit ko on there Flygon Lv.X so I could kill an Uxie, its like so what? What exactly was that Uxie going to do to me? I feel the deck should be more focused on the consistant kills achieved with the Gyrados which would be best achieved by running 4 pluspowers to get kills generally thought unachieveable.

  • Alex

    Man Gary is awesome and all, But today i was actually playing against someone that would use Mr.mime lol. It kinda hard to play around after using 4 point but the Cyclone energy really helped.

  • Alex

    Man Gary is awesome and all, But today i was actually playing against someone that would use Mr.mime lol. It kinda hard to play around after using 4 point but the Cyclone energy really helped.

  • kiwill

    coheed1337> Couldn’t agree more with you.
    Also I don’t understand why this switching theme is suddenly played with Gyarados. I mean, it can go with any deck no ?
    Initially we added Infernape 4 lvx for our meta, because we expected lots of mirrors and mr.mime, and infernape just takes care of both. I think it’s a nice tech overall, but it should remain at that, a tech.

  • kiwill

    coheed1337> Couldn’t agree more with you.
    Also I don’t understand why this switching theme is suddenly played with Gyarados. I mean, it can go with any deck no ?
    Initially we added Infernape 4 lvx for our meta, because we expected lots of mirrors and mr.mime, and infernape just takes care of both. I think it’s a nice tech overall, but it should remain at that, a tech.

  • coheed1337

    Ok I ran it today. Ill give a quick report.

    Round 1 some kid with Kingdra
    Im not even gonna lie I got lucky that this kid was terrible. I had 3 Magikarps and my regice prized. I had to azelf for one karp and use warp points with crobats, turns, and pluspowers, to slowly get the magikarps. Not much to brag about but outplaying him certainly helped.1-0

    Round 2 Pooka with Lux/blaze

    I have a sableye start with a roseannes to back it up with but not much else. I obviously go first and use the sableye’s roseanne. Once checking on everything I realize that I have a Magikarp, regice, azelf, and claydol all prized. I really didnt think the matchup was so bad because I only have to drop 2 crobats/pluspowers to knock out the lux lv.X. Unfortunately this wasnt the way to do it and he slowly just took me over. 1-1

    Round 3 some chick with Kingdra
    We both get set up but its evident shes not much of a player due to some questionable plays from her. Kingdra is a very tough matchup but it looks like I have them game cause she used all the turns and pluspowers but she ends up winning by dropping 3 super scoop ups at the same time and getting all heads, i really didnt see this coming. 1-2

    Round 4 2-1 player with Lux/Ape
    1 Magikarp prized, I drop Azelf turn 2 but he power sprays it. Maxing out at 60 hurts but it took 4 Magikarpless prizes before he finally overtook me. 1-3

    I love the deck, I really do. But I feel that it isnt right for the current format, at least not in my area. Its basically Luxray or Kingdra here. I wont be playing it for any more battle roads but I feel it has a place in the format later in the year.

  • coheed1337

    Ok I ran it today. Ill give a quick report.

    Round 1 some kid with Kingdra
    Im not even gonna lie I got lucky that this kid was terrible. I had 3 Magikarps and my regice prized. I had to azelf for one karp and use warp points with crobats, turns, and pluspowers, to slowly get the magikarps. Not much to brag about but outplaying him certainly helped.1-0

    Round 2 Pooka with Lux/blaze

    I have a sableye start with a roseannes to back it up with but not much else. I obviously go first and use the sableye’s roseanne. Once checking on everything I realize that I have a Magikarp, regice, azelf, and claydol all prized. I really didnt think the matchup was so bad because I only have to drop 2 crobats/pluspowers to knock out the lux lv.X. Unfortunately this wasnt the way to do it and he slowly just took me over. 1-1

    Round 3 some chick with Kingdra
    We both get set up but its evident shes not much of a player due to some questionable plays from her. Kingdra is a very tough matchup but it looks like I have them game cause she used all the turns and pluspowers but she ends up winning by dropping 3 super scoop ups at the same time and getting all heads, i really didnt see this coming. 1-2

    Round 4 2-1 player with Lux/Ape
    1 Magikarp prized, I drop Azelf turn 2 but he power sprays it. Maxing out at 60 hurts but it took 4 Magikarpless prizes before he finally overtook me. 1-3

    I love the deck, I really do. But I feel that it isnt right for the current format, at least not in my area. Its basically Luxray or Kingdra here. I wont be playing it for any more battle roads but I feel it has a place in the format later in the year.

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    Yeah man those are definitely not your preferred matchups. Kingdra is bad because they get that extra 20 damage, so they are eventually going to draw an extra prize on you. I haven’t had a chance to practice vs Lux/Ape yet but that also seems bad because they can OHKO you if they use Lucario and they can stop your powers.

    Thanks for the report!

    • Power Swing

      -1 crobat g
      +1 toxicroak g promo (you will need it against luxray gl)
      -1 call energy
      + 1 psychic energy
      Switch TSD with Night maintenence that way you get a guaranteed Gyarados out as well

      Great build though

    • Power Swing

      -1 crobat g
      +1 toxicroak g promo ( you will need it against luxray gl)
      -1 call energy
      +1 psychic energy
      switch tsd with night maintenence so that way you don’t rely on flips

      Great build though

  • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

    Yeah man those are definitely not your preferred matchups. Kingdra is bad because they get that extra 20 damage, so they are eventually going to draw an extra prize on you. I haven’t had a chance to practice vs Lux/Ape yet but that also seems bad because they can OHKO you if they use Lucario and they can stop your powers.

    Thanks for the report!

    • Power Swing

      -1 crobat g
      +1 toxicroak g promo (you will need it against luxray gl)
      -1 call energy
      + 1 psychic energy
      Switch TSD with Night maintenence that way you get a guaranteed Gyarados out as well

      Great build though

    • Power Swing

      -1 crobat g
      +1 toxicroak g promo ( you will need it against luxray gl)
      -1 call energy
      +1 psychic energy
      switch tsd with night maintenence so that way you don’t rely on flips

      Great build though

  • http://forum.pokemon.fi/viewtopic.php?id=18848 Tonu

    Yesterday I played this Gyarados list @ Hyvinkää (in Finland):

    4 Sableye SF
    4-4 Gyarados SF
    1-1 Claydol GE
    1 Lunatone GE
    1 Azelf LA
    2 Unown G GE
    2 Crobat G PL
    1 Skuntank G PL
    1 Combee SF
    = 22

    4 Call Energy
    1 Cyclone Energy
    1 Dark Energy
    1 Psychic Energy
    = 7

    4 Roseanne’s Research
    1 Bebe’s Search
    4 Felicity’s Drawing
    2 Buck’s Training
    1 Cynthia’s Feelings
    1 Marley’s Request

    4 Broken Time-Space

    1 Luxury Ball
    4 Poké Turn
    4 Super Scoop Up
    2 Time-Space Distortion
    2 Pokémon Rescue
    1 NM
    = 31

    and doing 4-1 and ended to be the first one that dropped out of the Top-Cut by resists (were 5th/~30). Won Flygon, then Machamp, lost to Tyranitar, won Kingdra, and won PalkiaG w/ Dialga G, Azelf MT & Toxicroak G promo techs. Two other Gyaradosses that I know ended at 3-2. I had terrible start on against TTar and it eneded to OHKO every Gyarados I sent out. During the tournament I got like 3/12 Heads on SSUs and 0/6 Heads on TSDs. :S

  • http://forum.pokemon.fi/viewtopic.php?id=18848 Tonu

    Yesterday I played this Gyarados list @ Hyvinkää (in Finland):

    4 Sableye SF
    4-4 Gyarados SF
    1-1 Claydol GE
    1 Lunatone GE
    1 Azelf LA
    2 Unown G GE
    2 Crobat G PL
    1 Skuntank G PL
    1 Combee SF
    = 22

    4 Call Energy
    1 Cyclone Energy
    1 Dark Energy
    1 Psychic Energy
    = 7

    4 Roseanne’s Research
    1 Bebe’s Search
    4 Felicity’s Drawing
    2 Buck’s Training
    1 Cynthia’s Feelings
    1 Marley’s Request

    4 Broken Time-Space

    1 Luxury Ball
    4 Poké Turn
    4 Super Scoop Up
    2 Time-Space Distortion
    2 Pokémon Rescue
    1 NM
    = 31

    and doing 4-1 and ended to be the first one that dropped out of the Top-Cut by resists (were 5th/~30). Won Flygon, then Machamp, lost to Tyranitar, won Kingdra, and won PalkiaG w/ Dialga G, Azelf MT & Toxicroak G promo techs. Two other Gyaradosses that I know ended at 3-2. I had terrible start on against TTar and it eneded to OHKO every Gyarados I sent out. During the tournament I got like 3/12 Heads on SSUs and 0/6 Heads on TSDs. :S

  • http://forum.pokemon.fi/viewtopic.php?id=18929 Tonu

    Today @ Helsinki’s BRs (in Finland) I played this Gyrados list:

    4 Sableye SF
    1 Jirachi RR
    4-4 Gyarados SF
    1 Lunatone GE
    1 Mankey SV
    1 Combee SF
    1 Azelf LA
    2 Unown G GE
    1 Unown M MT
    1 Unown Q MD
    1 Skuntank G PL
    2 Crobat G PL
    = 24

    1 Cyclone
    1 Metal
    1 Dark
    1 Fight
    1 Psy
    = 5

    4 Roseanne
    4 Felicity
    2 Buck
    1 Cynthia
    1 Marley
    1 TGW

    4 Broken

    1 Luxury Ball
    4 Poké Turn
    4 SSU
    2 TSD
    2 Rescue
    1 NM
    = 31

    to see how well it would run without any drawing powers or Bebes and wanted to test different techs in it. I went 4-1 and lose on the first match in Top-4. Won Glaceon/Exeggutor, won Luxray/Blaziken, won Gyarados/Floatzel, lost to Flygon/Palkia, won Flygon/Weavile. On top-Cut I encounter the Flygon stall and lost both games. Top-4 decks in Helsinki were: 1. Flygon/Machamp, 2. Flygon/Palkia, 3. Gyarados (me), 4. Flygon/Weavile(?).

    By judging my games, Jirachi was useless to me and I never played it on bench. Mankey were great anti-Luxray. Unown M gave me a win and helped a lot of in mirror (Gust+KO Duskull & Floatzel GL lvX). Unown Q was needed on Unown M to work much better. The deck seemed to work quite much better with 20 Basics instead of 16ish+Calls. i lost twice to Flygon stall because I didn’t managed to get a single Gyarados from my deck fast enough. Also opponents TGW:s were pain in the… At least one Bebe is MUST.

    I highly recommend a Unown M+Q to anyone. It’s worse than Palkia lvX but it doesn’t require so much free space and it’s a lot of cheaper. if you’re not good with the flips, don’t play it. It’s worth of testing in any Gyarados list that plays SSUs.

  • http://forum.pokemon.fi/viewtopic.php?id=18929 Tonu

    Today @ Helsinki’s BRs (in Finland) I played this Gyrados list:

    4 Sableye SF
    1 Jirachi RR
    4-4 Gyarados SF
    1 Lunatone GE
    1 Mankey SV
    1 Combee SF
    1 Azelf LA
    2 Unown G GE
    1 Unown M MT
    1 Unown Q MD
    1 Skuntank G PL
    2 Crobat G PL
    = 24

    1 Cyclone
    1 Metal
    1 Dark
    1 Fight
    1 Psy
    = 5

    4 Roseanne
    4 Felicity
    2 Buck
    1 Cynthia
    1 Marley
    1 TGW

    4 Broken

    1 Luxury Ball
    4 Poké Turn
    4 SSU
    2 TSD
    2 Rescue
    1 NM
    = 31

    to see how well it would run without any drawing powers or Bebes and wanted to test different techs in it. I went 4-1 and lose on the first match in Top-4. Won Glaceon/Exeggutor, won Luxray/Blaziken, won Gyarados/Floatzel, lost to Flygon/Palkia, won Flygon/Weavile. On top-Cut I encounter the Flygon stall and lost both games. Top-4 decks in Helsinki were: 1. Flygon/Machamp, 2. Flygon/Palkia, 3. Gyarados (me), 4. Flygon/Weavile(?).

    By judging my games, Jirachi was useless to me and I never played it on bench. Mankey were great anti-Luxray. Unown M gave me a win and helped a lot of in mirror (Gust+KO Duskull & Floatzel GL lvX). Unown Q was needed on Unown M to work much better. The deck seemed to work quite much better with 20 Basics instead of 16ish+Calls. i lost twice to Flygon stall because I didn’t managed to get a single Gyarados from my deck fast enough. Also opponents TGW:s were pain in the… At least one Bebe is MUST.

    I highly recommend a Unown M+Q to anyone. It’s worse than Palkia lvX but it doesn’t require so much free space and it’s a lot of cheaper. if you’re not good with the flips, don’t play it. It’s worth of testing in any Gyarados list that plays SSUs.

  • mariocurintianu

    Hi
    Here in Brazil we use this deck, a little different, put Garchomp SV 2-1-2 + 1 LV.X (MD).
    The strategy is to have 4 Magicarp and 2 or 3 Gyarados for the discard pile, then with Garchomp LV.X (MD) bring back the Gyarados to my bank provided basic and I can hit up to 120 per shift.
    What do you think?
    Mário

    • http://forum.pokemon.fi/ Tonu

      I played Garchomp/Gyarados once during last season and my games were 2-3 (decided to gave the ranking points to my opponent on the last game). To be honest, my list could have been a lot better. Still the deck worked out quite well, but it were a bit loo slow for the past MetaGame to be good enough to play with. Maybe a tech line of Garchomp could work in Gyarados, but it would need to be something like 1-1-1-1 or 2-2-2-1 line. The question is that are you ready to use one turn to get the Gyarados on your Bench to get extra 30 damage? When you Gyarados is a almost KO’d, you usually don’t want to SSU it if you would have SSU in your hand. And instead of the Garchomp line, you could play Pluspowers/Turns/Buck’s to get the extra 40+ damage. IMO, the Garchomp isn’t good enough for a Gyarados deck.

  • mariocurintianu

    Hi
    Here in Brazil we use this deck, a little different, put Garchomp SV 2-1-2 + 1 LV.X (MD).
    The strategy is to have 4 Magicarp and 2 or 3 Gyarados for the discard pile, then with Garchomp LV.X (MD) bring back the Gyarados to my bank provided basic and I can hit up to 120 per shift.
    What do you think?
    Mário

    • http://forum.pokemon.fi Tonu

      I played Garchomp/Gyarados once during last season and my games were 2-3 (decided to gave the ranking points to my opponent on the last game). To be honest, my list could have been a lot better. Still the deck worked out quite well, but it were a bit loo slow for the past MetaGame to be good enough to play with. Maybe a tech line of Garchomp could work in Gyarados, but it would need to be something like 1-1-1-1 or 2-2-2-1 line. The question is that are you ready to use one turn to get the Gyarados on your Bench to get extra 30 damage? When you Gyarados is a almost KO’d, you usually don’t want to SSU it if you would have SSU in your hand. And instead of the Garchomp line, you could play Pluspowers/Turns/Buck’s to get the extra 40+ damage. IMO, the Garchomp isn’t good enough for a Gyarados deck.

  • http://forum.pokemon.fi/ Tonu

    Today at Kesanto’s BRs (in Finland), I played the same deck that I played yesterday except -1 Mankey, -1 Fight +1 Bebe, +1 Warp Point (were too lazy to make any bigger changes to it). There were only 8 players and I went 3-0 and won the tournament. Won Flygon/Weavile, won Rhyperior, won Electivire FB/Rayquaza C. I won the final match just because of 3 heads out of 3 flips by using Unown M’s power.

  • http://forum.pokemon.fi Tonu

    Today at Kesanto’s BRs (in Finland), I played the same deck that I played yesterday except -1 Mankey, -1 Fight +1 Bebe, +1 Warp Point (were too lazy to make any bigger changes to it). There were only 8 players and I went 3-0 and won the tournament. Won Flygon/Weavile, won Rhyperior, won Electivire FB/Rayquaza C. I won the final match just because of 3 heads out of 3 flips by using Unown M’s power.

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    Thanks for the mini reports Tonu!

    I would be hesitant to play Unown M just because I try to avoid flips, but it is a nifty idea.

    Garchomp would make the deck way too slow IMO, it’s just not worth it.

    • http://forum.pokemon.fi/ Tonu

      Unown M is a poor mans Palkia lvX/Luxray GL lvX. If anyone has enough courage to play it, I recommend testing it out. You can easily get it on your bench with a single Roseanne (or Call Energy). I’ve been really lycky with it during the last two tournaments where I managed to use its power 5 times and get heads on every flip and won two important games with it. Even tho its a coin flip power, you can use it every time your Active Pokémons gets KO’d or if you use SSU on your Active Pokémon.

      If people doesn’t like to play cards that requires coin flip(s), there’s plenty of other techs to try out.

  • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

    Thanks for the mini reports Tonu!

    I would be hesitant to play Unown M just because I try to avoid flips, but it is a nifty idea.

    Garchomp would make the deck way too slow IMO, it’s just not worth it.

    • http://forum.pokemon.fi Tonu

      Unown M is a poor mans Palkia lvX/Luxray GL lvX. If anyone has enough courage to play it, I recommend testing it out. You can easily get it on your bench with a single Roseanne (or Call Energy). I’ve been really lycky with it during the last two tournaments where I managed to use its power 5 times and get heads on every flip and won two important games with it. Even tho its a coin flip power, you can use it every time your Active Pokémons gets KO’d or if you use SSU on your Active Pokémon.

      If people doesn’t like to play cards that requires coin flip(s), there’s plenty of other techs to try out.

  • http://forum.pokemon.fi/ Tonu

    During the last tournament I encountered 2 Machamp/Gengars and 3 Gengars. Ended up to be 8th with 3-2 statics. I was using the same list as a week ago except -1 Jirachi, -1 Metal, +1 Mankey, +1 Fighting. Got four Crobat G starts and one Unown G start which ended being donk’d by T1 Machamp (opponent had 2 Drawers in her hand). Talk about bad luck. xP

  • http://forum.pokemon.fi Tonu

    During the last tournament I encountered 2 Machamp/Gengars and 3 Gengars. Ended up to be 8th with 3-2 statics. I was using the same list as a week ago except -1 Jirachi, -1 Metal, +1 Mankey, +1 Fighting. Got four Crobat G starts and one Unown G start which ended being donk’d by T1 Machamp (opponent had 2 Drawers in her hand). Talk about bad luck. xP

  • saul

    bueno a mi pareser este es un deck algo dificil de armar pues ocupa mucha suerte y un dusknoir o gengar lo pondrian en aprietos

  • saul

    bueno a mi pareser este es un deck algo dificil de armar pues ocupa mucha suerte y un dusknoir o gengar lo pondrian en aprietos

  • matt

    i dont get it ? where is all the water energy ?

  • matt

    i dont get it ? where is all the water energy ?

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    Gyarados only uses “Tail Revenge”, you don’t do any other attacks. :)

  • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

    Gyarados only uses “Tail Revenge”, you don’t do any other attacks. :)

  • http://www.pokecardex.com/ dragonnair

    Why don’t you put a Pachirisu instead of a Sableye ? it can search a tenefix, a magikarp and a registeel or something like this and it is a very good card against palkia Lock

    • http://forum.pokemon.fi/ Tonu

      Sableye is the key to get the deck to work properly. By using 2 Roseanne/Felicity combination in a turn is the key how this deck setups so fast.

      Pachirisu is really not that great for the deck since you are most likely using up to 7 energy cards in this deck and having an energy at the starting hand doesn’t happen so often. Also, there’s not many Basic Pokémon the you want directly on your bench with CFF (Regi/Lunatone, Sableye, Skuntank G, Unowns, Magikarp and other non-come-in-play-power ones). Pachirisu ok card against Palkia lock (possible 1 Energy 80 damage), but the matchup should be something like 70-30 to Gyarados. I’ve tried to play Pachirisu in my deck but have realized that it was useless card for me. I never managed to have Pachirisu and an Energy card in my starting hand at the same time. That’s why you shouldn’t play Pachirisu in your deck.

  • http://www.pokecardex.com dragonnair

    Why don’t you put a Pachirisu instead of a Sableye ? it can search a tenefix, a magikarp and a registeel or something like this and it is a very good card against palkia Lock

    • http://forum.pokemon.fi Tonu

      Sableye is the key to get the deck to work properly. By using 2 Roseanne/Felicity combination in a turn is the key how this deck setups so fast.

      Pachirisu is really not that great for the deck since you are most likely using up to 7 energy cards in this deck and having an energy at the starting hand doesn’t happen so often. Also, there’s not many Basic Pokémon the you want directly on your bench with CFF (Regi/Lunatone, Sableye, Skuntank G, Unowns, Magikarp and other non-come-in-play-power ones). Pachirisu ok card against Palkia lock (possible 1 Energy 80 damage), but the matchup should be something like 70-30 to Gyarados. I’ve tried to play Pachirisu in my deck but have realized that it was useless card for me. I never managed to have Pachirisu and an Energy card in my starting hand at the same time. That’s why you shouldn’t play Pachirisu in your deck.

  • mariocurintianu

    Tonu! I live in Brazil and found it very good your deck list, you could post your final list already have the necessary adjustments so that I can play the battle roads this Saturday? thank’s

    • http://forum.pokemon.fi/ Tonu

      4 Sableye SF
      4-4 Gyarados SF
      1 Lunatone GE
      1 Mankey SV
      1 Combee SF
      1 Azelf LA
      2 Unown G GE
      1 Unown M MT
      1 Unown Q MD
      1 Skuntank G PL
      2 Crobat G PL
      = 23

      1 Cyclone
      1 Dark
      1 Fight
      1 Psy
      = 4

      4 Roseanne
      4 Felicity
      2 Buck
      1 Cynthia’s Feelings
      1 Marley

      4 Broken

      1 Luxury Ball
      4 Poké Turn
      4 SSU
      0-1 TSD
      3-4 Rescue
      1 NM
      1 Warp Point
      = 31
      == 58

      As you can see, it’s about the same list I have posted a few times but it misses a few cards. Which cards you would like to add on those two slots? I would play 2 Expert Belts if they were on modified already. I’ve have had problems on drawing one of the 4 Broken Time-Spaces sometimes, so one Rare Candy could save your day and it’s great against Flygon too if you can’t/don’t want to play stadium card. Adding PlusPowers may be good idea, too. Also, you can try to use one VS Seeker as a tech. Maybe one energy more if your area plays Mr.Mime/Dusknoir, so you could get that 3 Energies a lot easier. Adding the 20th Basic Pokémon is also worth thinking (another Azelf, Uxie, Combee, or other tech) since 20 Basics in your deck would yield a less than 5% chance to mulligan and almost 27% chance to get 3 Basics on your starting hand. You can also add Supporter cards. Another Bebe, Cyrus Conspiracy, Cynthias Guideance, Volkner, Wager.

      I have gave you 58 card list and have told few possible cards to play in it. Finish the deck and test play it a bit if you haven’t played Gyarados before. I hope that you will get the top-cut with it.

      I’ve played 16-6 (one bye) on this season and have won: Beautifly/Ampharos(rogue), Electivire FB/Rayquaza C, 3x Flygon(/2x Weavile/2x Dusknoir), 3 Gengar(/1x Machamp), Glaceon/Exeggutor, Gyarados/Floatzel GL, Kingdra, Luxray GL/Blaziken FB, Machamp, Palkia G, and Rhyperior/Delcatty.
      I’ve lost to: Electivire FB/Metagross LA&SV, 2x Flygon-K, 2x Gengar(/1x Machamp), and Tyranitar/Weavile.
      Have been 1st, twice 3rd, 5th, and 8th on tournaments with Gyarados during this season.

  • mariocurintianu

    Tonu! I live in Brazil and found it very good your deck list, you could post your final list already have the necessary adjustments so that I can play the battle roads this Saturday? thank’s

    • http://forum.pokemon.fi Tonu

      4 Sableye SF
      4-4 Gyarados SF
      1 Lunatone GE
      1 Mankey SV
      1 Combee SF
      1 Azelf LA
      2 Unown G GE
      1 Unown M MT
      1 Unown Q MD
      1 Skuntank G PL
      2 Crobat G PL
      = 23

      1 Cyclone
      1 Dark
      1 Fight
      1 Psy
      = 4

      4 Roseanne
      4 Felicity
      2 Buck
      1 Cynthia’s Feelings
      1 Marley

      4 Broken

      1 Luxury Ball
      4 Poké Turn
      4 SSU
      0-1 TSD
      3-4 Rescue
      1 NM
      1 Warp Point
      = 31
      == 58

      As you can see, it’s about the same list I have posted a few times but it misses a few cards. Which cards you would like to add on those two slots? I would play 2 Expert Belts if they were on modified already. I’ve have had problems on drawing one of the 4 Broken Time-Spaces sometimes, so one Rare Candy could save your day and it’s great against Flygon too if you can’t/don’t want to play stadium card. Adding PlusPowers may be good idea, too. Also, you can try to use one VS Seeker as a tech. Maybe one energy more if your area plays Mr.Mime/Dusknoir, so you could get that 3 Energies a lot easier. Adding the 20th Basic Pokémon is also worth thinking (another Azelf, Uxie, Combee, or other tech) since 20 Basics in your deck would yield a less than 5% chance to mulligan and almost 27% chance to get 3 Basics on your starting hand. You can also add Supporter cards. Another Bebe, Cyrus Conspiracy, Cynthias Guideance, Volkner, Wager.

      I have gave you 58 card list and have told few possible cards to play in it. Finish the deck and test play it a bit if you haven’t played Gyarados before. I hope that you will get the top-cut with it.

      I’ve played 16-6 (one bye) on this season and have won: Beautifly/Ampharos(rogue), Electivire FB/Rayquaza C, 3x Flygon(/2x Weavile/2x Dusknoir), 3 Gengar(/1x Machamp), Glaceon/Exeggutor, Gyarados/Floatzel GL, Kingdra, Luxray GL/Blaziken FB, Machamp, Palkia G, and Rhyperior/Delcatty.
      I’ve lost to: Electivire FB/Metagross LA&SV, 2x Flygon-K, 2x Gengar(/1x Machamp), and Tyranitar/Weavile.
      Have been 1st, twice 3rd, 5th, and 8th on tournaments with Gyarados during this season.

  • mariocurintianu

    Tonu, Thanks for the list, I think I’ll put +1 Uxie and +1 energy, after the battle roads tell you how was my performance.

    • http://forum.pokemon.fi/ Tonu

      It’s already monday, so how was your tournament?

  • mariocurintianu

    Tonu, Thanks for the list, I think I’ll put +1 Uxie and +1 energy, after the battle roads tell you how was my performance.

    • http://forum.pokemon.fi Tonu

      It’s already monday, so how was your tournament?

  • WDIF

    Most DP-SV Gyarados didn’t have Super Scoop Up. 2 Expert Belts is now a no brainer. I wonder if 3-4 Expert Belts with Super Scoop Up is worth it.

  • WDIF

    Most DP-SV Gyarados didn’t have Super Scoop Up. 2 Expert Belts is now a no brainer. I wonder if 3-4 Expert Belts with Super Scoop Up is worth it.

  • Tre' Stout

    take out Pokemon rescue put in 3 expert belt and Palmers contribution

  • Tre' Stout

    take out Pokemon rescue put in 3 expert belt and Palmers contribution

  • Tylerb1

    Why 2 lux balls?

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