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  • Anonymous

    The regigigas match up should be even to slightly unfavorable as you can’t One Hit Knock out their Gigas and they would just Sacrifice off the damage and One Shot your Toxicroak G promo.

    • Anonymous

      what ever happened to the lux and chomp? lux might be shut down by mesprit, but chomp will just snipe mesprit.

      • the sidewalk

        Regigigas doesn’t care if Mespirit gets sniped since he’s just going to rescue it and lock you again on the next turn.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin-Garcia/676689170 Martin Garcia

      Power sprays are specifically for that. A smart luxchomp player wont waste sprays on anything else than gigas, or maybe one mesprit to avoid getting locked.

      Still, there are several things I don’t like in this list:
      If you point is to combat vileplume, wont it be easier to do so, by getting one more bebes in, to fetch the dialga X?
      The ponts seem like they are useless to me, if you have more bebes you can get dialga faster, thus breaking the lock and getting to use your trainers, so I don’t see the need to refresh your hand with 6 new cards, which will be, most likely, trainers/supporters to add to poltergeist.

      I agree with the 3-1 2-1 garchomp luxray but I don’t think 2 premier balls are really needed, especially since you run junk arm. A second Aarons sees a must, since you have a low X count. I could be wrong here tough.

      Also, I think the twins is a smart move, but not in this list. I could see it working best in a build with staraptor fb, but getting it with Cyrus?
      Don’t think so, its too obvious of a move, the opponent will be prepared and get a counter ready (because its plain obvious you will grab a DCE, and something to use that, like garchomp, ambipom or dragonite)

      As you said, the warp energy is negligible, but the exchanger, is really good for the garchomp war. Smeargle also helps a top in this match, since you get to use free Cyrus, bebes, and specially, Aarons, and this saves your resources for late game.

      So does junk arm, but just playing 1 doesn’t seem like you can’t get it out when you need it, you could take out sp radar for the second one, that’s what I did and worked just fine. The junk arm could also prove useful if you include a luxury ball/communication, and the exchanger.

      I’m all in for a 3/3 split collector/call, since your ability to “set up” seems somewhat restricted that way, even with 3 uxies, and you don’t desperately need the 4th call, still, yours is not a bad move IMO, just not what I would play. This is only aggravated by the fact that you just run 1 bebes, and no communication or luxury ball.

      Wow, it ended being such a largo post, sorry about that xD

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001734489773 Dakota Streck

        Yeah, a 4/2 or 3/3 Collector/Call split isn’t really a huge different, mostly player preference. Three things I disagree with you on:

        Twins – Just because your opponent knows what you may do, doesn’t mean they can stop it. Also, fetching it with Cyrus’s Conspiracy isn’t a bad move as you can use it to fetch another Cyrus’s and a DCE (or whatever else is crucial), so Twins is basically a more situational, but more flexible Cyrus’s.

        Premier Ball/Aaron’s – You suggest reducing the Premier Ball count, but raise the Aaron’s count. To me, their uses are very similar, but I believe Premier Ball to be more flexible since it can search the Deck as well as get a non-SP Uxie Lv.X, which is crucial against Machamp.

        Extra Bebe’s – To me, this doesn’t really seem like a necessary inclusion. Sure, it would help get out Dialga, but it’s just as easy to use Cyrus’s or Twins to fetch out Bebe’s and use it a turn later, doesn’t seem like it would make a huge difference, but the extra deck spot will.

        You present some good points that I’ll be sure to keep in mind, though. Thanks!

  • Anonymous

    Eh I just can’t bring myself to play these cookie cutter “top decks”…
    I play with my Rouge deck, even if it gets laid to waste by these tier 1 set ups..
    I’m gonna get owned so hard at City’s. Oh well.
    Maybe later on I’ll build a tier 1 deck up.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001734489773 Dakota Streck

      I know exactly what you mean, which is why I don’t play top decks unless if I can at least bring a slightly different aspect to the table.

      • Anonymous

        ya i tried a luxchomp deck, diala chomp and other sp varient decks. couldnt do a thing. sp tolbox just aint my style and i cant play it like i see others. i though own with stage 2 decks. and they dont normally ver have autolosses against decks like luxchomp

  • Anonymous

    Nice article dakota! I think that the Mirror should always be even though (Hence The name mirror) though this has a 3-1 chomp line so I guess it would be more favourable. Good Job!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001734489773 Dakota Streck

      Yeah, no matter how many techs are added, a mirror match will never be more than slightly favorable, which is what I’m aiming for, lol.

  • Anonymous

    Any thoughts on why you chose 2-1 Luxray instead of 2-2 luxray? =P

    Great article, BTW!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001734489773 Dakota Streck

      I chose to cut the second LGX because it didn’t really seam necessary. Between Aaron’s Collection and the two premier Balls, I never had an issue with consistently recovering my Lv.X’s. I don’t know if you have UG or not, but in his Cities Marathon article, he goes into further detail then I did on it.

      • Anonymous

        I was just curious about it, ’cause I noticed a lot of people have been cutting their 2-2 Lux X lines down to 2-1′s. And it seems to be working.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pgmcsskater pgmcsskater

    Great article but the list seems weak to me. Btw im surprised you didnt mention blaziken in the techs for this deck? luxChomp with Blaziken tech helps against the Dialga, steelix, and scizor matchup. Also it gives you a nice counter to VileGar. Also Im curious as to why you run twins? LuxChomp isnt supposed to be behind. And i dont see how your list has the edge in the mirror. I dont see Dragonite, nor do i see the VS seeker.
    to help in mirror i say:
    +1 junk arm
    +1 vs seeker
    +1 smeargle
    +1 dragonite

    I do like your article. Thanks for the insight on the meta.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001734489773 Dakota Streck

      Yeah, I probably shoulda said something about Blaziken FB, but I figured that since I have Dialga G in the list, it gets the job done.

      While I realize LuxChomp isn’t every supposed to be behind, there will be times, especially during mirror matches, when you are, so being able to fetch a DCE AND continue the Cyrus’s Chain is too good to pass up.

      Also, while I don’t run Dragonite or VS Seeker to aid the mirror, I run the aforementioned Twins as well as two Premier Balls for recovery which can really be abused by the 3-1 Garchomp line. Also, I do run Ambipom G, so I do have a Garchomp counter as well.

      • Anonymous

        I am curious: Dialgia LV.X is needed to counter Vileplume, so one he is on the field, do you want to get him to the bech as soon as possible, or do you want to be able to use all your trainers on that one turn and lose Dialgia to Gengar LV.X?

      • Anonymous

        I am curious: Dialgia LV.X is needed to counter Vileplume, so one he is on the field, do you want to get him to the bech as soon as possible, or do you want to be able to use all your trainers on that one turn and lose Dialgia to Gengar LV.X?

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    Great job with the article Dakota! A lot of people might be sick of hearing about the deck, but it keeps on winning, so you gotta pay attention to it.

  • Sam Marshall-Smith

    Erm….. If energy exchanger is your 51st card, why isn’t it in your list? lol

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E574J3D3XTSZWSOGXXS3TTH2SA Don Won

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  • Anonymous

    How does a Steelix player benching Blissey help your matchup? And, to each their own, but I have no idea how you figure it has a “slightly favorable” matchup with Steelix. I think Dialga helps the matchup for Luxchomp but with no metal energy, there is no way it tilts the match to Luxchomp. I haven’t done extensive testing against Luxchomp w/ Dialga, though I have played it and won easily and can’t think of any scenario where it really hurts. I’m not saying those aren’t your testing results, I’m saying I doubt the Steelix player in your testing. Anyone that has been playing Steelix more than a week should never lose to Luxchomp (consistently, saving the occasional bad start or the ‘Chomp donk).

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001734489773 Dakota Streck

      Benching Blissey helps you because you can drag it up with Luxray GL Lv.X and snipe around it. Unless if they have a Warp Energy in hand (which they don’t always have), they’re usually stuck with it active for a turn.

      I wouldn’t doubt the Steelix player, he’s qualified for Worlds 4 times as well as having won three Cities and top cut five more this season (the wins were with DialgaChomp and Gyarados and all five of the top cuts were with Steelix).

      • Anonymous

        They don’t need a warp, they need a DCE or a Warp or an energy exchanger with any energy. With that many outs, its hard to not have one. If they don’t have one of those, then they have healing cards. I’ve been playing Steelix for about 5-6 months now and I’ve never once had a Blissey stuck in the active and me not be ok with it (well, for stalling purposes- a reversal against Donphan twice in a match cost me a top cut spot at BR). Steelix 101: hold the DCE for that reason. If you only get to snipe around it for one turn, that justs a Life Herb and a Nurse Call away from netting zero damage. If its only Blissey and Steelix in play, then you snipe Steelix for a reduced damage and if Blissey is active, the revenge KO is almost guaranteed. If there IS something you can snipe for a KO, there was always an assumption when that card went down that it was a loss and was given to you, you didn’t make a strategic move netting you a prize. My favorite move against Luxchomp is benching Jirachi and watching them squirm while calling out “Ahh, Dragon Jirachi I guess…”

        If you have tested, I appreciate you taking the time to test, it does seem like the thing to do nowadays make something up about how one thinks the matchup will go. But, if you have played more than 3 or 4 matches against Steelix and think it is a good matchup, and by that, I mean remotely favorable, I really do have to question your honesty or the accuracy of the results. Even a bad build will roll Luxchomp.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001734489773 Dakota Streck

        I promise you that all testing results that I post in this article or any other ones for that matter are completely 100% what I found during my testing. I do agree that there is a certain number of outs, but I think it’s slightly more difficult than what you’re saying.

        Also, the other thing I disagree with is that you say even a bad Steelix build will roll through LuxChomp, but I don’t think that’s true. I, as well as a lot of other players that I know, have been able to beat some really powerful Steelix decks with LuxChomp.

        Even with our disagreements, I appreciate your honesty and value any opinion that people give me on my articles.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/IIHNMEBSBCDGC33VSOSIXZAQSE Kyle

    This is Lady GaGa right? With some added features

  • Anonymous

    Nice article.
    Think you should find room for luxuray ball. Maybe take out one premier or sp radar or bebes

  • http://www.facebook.com/reichenberger David Reichenberger

    Great job on the article. It’s nice to see decks where every single card is counted and weighed to ensure the most efficient, fluid construction.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001734489773 Dakota Streck

      Thanks, I’m glad you liked it! It’s typically what I do in most of my Deck articles.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001734489773 Dakota Streck

      Thanks, I’m glad you liked it! It’s typically what I do in most of my Deck articles.