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  • Eeeon

    ha! i am also creating a deck with similar strategy to this one

    • Pablo

      Great minds think alike huh? ;)

      • Eeeon

        haha ya!

    • Pablo

      Great minds think alike huh? ;)

  • Eeeon

    ha! i am also creating a deck with similar strategy to this one

  • Eeeon

    ha! i am also creating a deck with similar strategy to this one

    • Pablo

      Great minds think alike huh? ;)

      • Eeeon

        haha ya!

  • kiwill

    Wow that’s creepy, I had the exact same list in my notepad :P
    It’s a nice deck, I’m not sure how reliable it would be in a major event though…

    • Pablo

      Exact same one? Haha nice! I tried it out at a BR, and I was unsuccesful seeing how Palkia and other big Stage 2 decks were very popular, and my list was subpar. I think it could definately contend though.

    • Pablo

      Exact same one? Haha nice! I tried it out at a BR, and I was unsuccesful seeing how Palkia and other big Stage 2 decks were very popular, and my list was subpar. I think it could definately contend though.

  • kiwill

    Wow that’s creepy, I had the exact same list in my notepad :P
    It’s a nice deck, I’m not sure how reliable it would be in a major event though…

    • Pablo

      Exact same one? Haha nice! I tried it out at a BR, and I was unsuccesful seeing how Palkia and other big Stage 2 decks were very popular, and my list was subpar. I think it could definately contend though.

  • http://www.HeyTrainer.org/ Pokey

    Ya, this deck is a beast, I know first hand lol. FlyChampLock was screwed against this guy. gg’s Pablo. Ya the 2 fighting energys vs the solo one is the right choice. The only thing i would possibly suggest is to drop the lone BTS for the 4th Poketurn, but i think it’s more personal preference and gets you out a jam if Metagross or Gengar gets knocked out somehow.

    • Pablo

      Yeah that’s personal preference I guess, but it’s always nice to have an alternative to Rare Candy’s late in the game.

    • Pablo

      Yeah that’s personal preference I guess, but it’s always nice to have an alternative to Rare Candy’s late in the game.

  • http://www.HeyTrainer.org Pokey

    Ya, this deck is a beast, I know first hand lol. FlyChampLock was screwed against this guy. gg’s Pablo. Ya the 2 fighting energys vs the solo one is the right choice. The only thing i would possibly suggest is to drop the lone BTS for the 4th Poketurn, but i think it’s more personal preference and gets you out a jam if Metagross or Gengar gets knocked out somehow.

    • Pablo

      Yeah that’s personal preference I guess, but it’s always nice to have an alternative to Rare Candy’s late in the game.

  • PokePockets

    While I like Metagross, I dunno if this is the best combo. Then again, I just don’t think Gengar is THAT great.

    • Power Swing

      how is gengar not that great

      • PokePockets

        oh geez…

        I didn’t say it wasn’t good, I just said I don’t think it is that great. Personal preference my good friend

        *cough* Unown G/Burning Trainers *cough*

      • Power Swing

        ya you are right with the unown g
        i only like it because of fainting spell an shadow room

      • PokePockets

        If Unown G wasn’t so heavily played in this format I really think this guy could be better. Fainting Spell is quite nice though

      • PokePockets

        If Unown G wasn’t so heavily played in this format I really think this guy could be better. Fainting Spell is quite nice though

      • PokePockets

        If Unown G wasn’t so heavily played in this format I really think this guy could be better. Fainting Spell is quite nice though

      • Power Swing

        ya you are right with the unown g
        i only like it because of fainting spell an shadow room

  • PokePockets

    While I like Metagross, I dunno if this is the best combo. Then again, I just don’t think Gengar is THAT great.

    • Power Swing

      how is gengar not that great

      • PokePockets

        oh geez…

        I didn’t say it wasn’t good, I just said I don’t think it is that great. Personal preference my good friend

        *cough* Unown G/Burning Trainers *cough*

      • Power Swing

        ya you are right with the unown g
        i only like it because of fainting spell an shadow room

      • PokePockets

        If Unown G wasn’t so heavily played in this format I really think this guy could be better. Fainting Spell is quite nice though

  • http://myspace.com/gottabuyemallcards iScoop

    Just personal preference, but:
    -1 Bebe’s Search
    +1 Looker’s Investigation

    -1 Chatot MD
    -1 Cynthia’s Feelings
    -1 Relicanth
    -1 Multi
    +4 Pokeblower

    -1 Switch
    +1 Warp Point

    -2 Multi Energy
    +2 Energy

    • Pablo

      IMO those changes, specially the -1 Bebe’s, would make the deck less consistant, specially by removing Chatot, and the second Relicanth without Azelf LA to fish it out (pun!) of the prizes in case your single one got stuck there.

      I also don’t see the advantage of Poke Blowers, since you can target anything on the bench with both “Shadow Room” and “Grand Swell”.

    • Pablo

      IMO those changes, specially the -1 Bebe’s, would make the deck less consistant, specially by removing Chatot, and the second Relicanth without Azelf LA to fish it out (pun!) of the prizes in case your single one got stuck there.

      I also don’t see the advantage of Poke Blowers, since you can target anything on the bench with both “Shadow Room” and “Grand Swell”.

  • http://myspace.com/gottabuyemallcards iScoop

    Just personal preference, but:
    -1 Bebe’s Search
    +1 Looker’s Investigation

    -1 Chatot MD
    -1 Cynthia’s Feelings
    -1 Relicanth
    -1 Multi
    +4 Pokeblower

    -1 Switch
    +1 Warp Point

    -2 Multi Energy
    +2 Energy

    • Pablo

      IMO those changes, specially the -1 Bebe’s, would make the deck less consistant, specially by removing Chatot, and the second Relicanth without Azelf LA to fish it out (pun!) of the prizes in case your single one got stuck there.

      I also don’t see the advantage of Poke Blowers, since you can target anything on the bench with both “Shadow Room” and “Grand Swell”.

  • Power swing

    Gengar is loosing its popularity but i think it still has some potential. I would try putting in a mismagius from sf to get rid of those stupid unown g’s so you can make sure you get that ohko.

    • Pablo

      I had never thought of Mismagius as a Unown G counter in Gengar decks, that could definately work, although it would definately compete for a spot with Relicanth, I don’t think I could fit a 1-1 Mismagius line in my list.

    • Pablo

      I had never thought of Mismagius as a Unown G counter in Gengar decks, that could definately work, although it would definately compete for a spot with Relicanth, I don’t think I could fit a 1-1 Mismagius line in my list.

      • Power Swing

        Ya I would use Relicanth in your deck I just remembered when i played machamp/mismagius man that deck owned sp decks.

      • PokePockets

        Mismagius SF cannot discard an opponent’s Unown G’s

      • PokePockets

        Mismagius SF cannot discard an opponent’s Unown G’s

  • Power swing

    Gengar is loosing its popularity but i think it still has some potential. I would try putting in a mismagius from sf to get rid of those stupid unown g’s so you can make sure you get that ohko.

    • Pablo

      I had never thought of Mismagius as a Unown G counter in Gengar decks, that could definately work, although it would definately compete for a spot with Relicanth, I don’t think I could fit a 1-1 Mismagius line in my list.

      • Power Swing

        Ya I would use Relicanth in your deck I just remembered when i played machamp/mismagius man that deck owned sp decks.

      • PokePockets

        Mismagius SF cannot discard an opponent’s Unown G’s

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    I really don’t like Looker’s and would try to fit Poke Drawer in instead, but I am not sure what else to take out!

    I would also play a few Call Energy, I just don’t feel comfortable running any deck without it, but again I am not sure what I’d take out.

    I gotta find some time to test…

  • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

    I really don’t like Looker’s and would try to fit Poke Drawer in instead, but I am not sure what else to take out!

    I would also play a few Call Energy, I just don’t feel comfortable running any deck without it, but again I am not sure what I’d take out.

    I gotta find some time to test…

  • quaziko

    I considered this deck when I saw Metagross, but I’ve grown to dislike Gengar.

    I think Metagross can be used in many decks as a nice tech, though.

    • Power Swing

      What decks would metagross be good in

      • PokePockets

        I personally think Metagross is best paired with Kingdra

      • Power Swing

        what about empoleon md

      • Power Swing

        what about empoleon md

      • Power Swing

        what about empoleon md

      • PokePockets

        That wouldn’t be bad. Metagross really fits in with anything that can spread and doesn’t take that much of a hit from “Gravitation”

      • PokePockets

        That wouldn’t be bad. Metagross really fits in with anything that can spread and doesn’t take that much of a hit from “Gravitation”

    • Power Swing

      What decks would metagross be good in

    • Pablo

      I want to try Metagross out with other decks, such as Kingdra LA or simply with Hochkrow G and Luxray GL, but Gengar seemed the most obvious option. If there was a reliable way to get Nidoqueen out of the way when using Kingdra, I’d definately consider it.

      • Power Swing

        Test it with Empoleon it might work :)

  • quaziko

    I considered this deck when I saw Metagross, but I’ve grown to dislike Gengar.

    I think Metagross can be used in many decks as a nice tech, though.

    • Power Swing

      What decks would metagross be good in

      • PokePockets

        I personally think Metagross is best paired with Kingdra

      • Power Swing

        what about empoleon md

      • PokePockets

        That wouldn’t be bad. Metagross really fits in with anything that can spread and doesn’t take that much of a hit from “Gravitation”

    • Pablo

      I want to try Metagross out with other decks, such as Kingdra LA or simply with Hochkrow G and Luxray GL, but Gengar seemed the most obvious option. If there was a reliable way to get Nidoqueen out of the way when using Kingdra, I’d definately consider it.

      • Power Swing

        Test it with Empoleon it might work :)

  • http://twitter.com/poteet24 Graham Poteet

    The problem now with playing Gengar in the format is that its missing a huge suprise factor. To abuse fainting spell properly you need to run a 4-x-4 Gengar line, not leaving much room for techs.

    I think that’s why maybe with Metagross you can lose the whole Crobats and PokeTurns to leave the deck. With Metagross you’re still koing multiple support pokemon, and even if they’re attempting to G them you have Relincath who I believe should take the place of Crobats.

    With a pokemon line like:
    4-2-4 Gengar
    2-1-2 Metagross
    2-2 Claydol
    2 Relincath
    1 Uxie
    1 Unown G

    I think you would find more consitency and would open up multiple sniping options with Gengar and Relincath

    Just my two cents but I feel Metagross does what Crobat did cleaner and more efficient in todays meta

    • Power Swing

      Ya metagross works better than crobat

    • Power Swing

      Ya metagross works better than crobat

    • Power Swing

      Ya metagross works better than crobat

  • Graham Poteet

    The problem now with playing Gengar in the format is that its missing a huge suprise factor. To abuse fainting spell properly you need to run a 4-x-4 Gengar line, not leaving much room for techs.

    I think that’s why maybe with Metagross you can lose the whole Crobats and PokeTurns to leave the deck. With Metagross you’re still koing multiple support pokemon, and even if they’re attempting to G them you have Relincath who I believe should take the place of Crobats.

    With a pokemon line like:
    4-2-4 Gengar
    2-1-2 Metagross
    2-2 Claydol
    2 Relincath
    1 Uxie
    1 Unown G

    I think you would find more consitency and would open up multiple sniping options with Gengar and Relincath

    Just my two cents but I feel Metagross does what Crobat did cleaner and more efficient in todays meta

    • Power Swing

      Ya metagross works better than crobat

  • http://twitter.com/poteet24 Graham Poteet

    Wow I butchered a lot of grammar there. I guess that’s what I get for typing on my phone at work. In case it wasn’t obvious what I was saying is Metagross accomplishes basiacally two flash bites just sitting on the bench. Also making any power locking useless.

    That is all. Just wanted to clarify

  • Graham Poteet

    Wow I butchered a lot of grammar there. I guess that’s what I get for typing on my phone at work. In case it wasn’t obvious what I was saying is Metagross accomplishes basiacally two flash bites just sitting on the bench. Also making any power locking useless.

    That is all. Just wanted to clarify

  • butlerforhire

    Just wanted to point out that Mismagius SF does not get rid of the opponent’s Unown G (although it can get rid of your own). You can never remove Unown G from a Pokemon with an attack, be it Pachirisu’s Smash Short, Mismagius’ Crash Chant, or Electivire lv. X’s Pulse Barrier. Therefore it counters nothing.

    As for the list, I would consider dropping one of the SV Metagross for one from LA, or possibly just adding one in and not dropping any of the SV so you still have 2 for consistency. Being able to do your own Gust tricks is great with Gengar because you can get more easy prizes that way, bringing up a heavy retreater and, under immunity, taking out as many Pokemon as you can before they Warp/Switch/retreat. (And when they do, you’ll just try another Magnetic Reversal on the same Pokemon.)

    I actually don’t think max Crobat G abuse is as necessary here anymore with Metagross SV in the mix; you’re already getting the OHKO on all of the stuff you would need Crobat G for usually, and right now you’re devoting 5 spots to borderline redundancy (borderline because I do realize there will always be SOME occasion where Flash Bite is useful in every deck). You could probably cut the Poketurn and keep the Crobat G just for those special instances.

    I also feel that Call energy is important here, even though you will usually be going for Pitch Dark turn 1. Too many decks have ways to donk you even without trainers (thanks to BTS mainly), and Call is, as always, such good insurance against that.

    I have been experimenting with Unown Q as a way to get Relincanth in and out without wasting your energy. You might try one here. If you expect a lot of Gengar mirrors, I would also run a second Unown G. As for the lone BTS, I would experiment with Miasma (and possibly up it to 2). It has always been good with Gengar, but it is even better with Metagross SV also involved. A lot of SP decks have no counter for it once it drops and will end up losing Pokemon a lot sooner because of it.

  • butlerforhire

    Just wanted to point out that Mismagius SF does not get rid of the opponent’s Unown G (although it can get rid of your own). You can never remove Unown G from a Pokemon with an attack, be it Pachirisu’s Smash Short, Mismagius’ Crash Chant, or Electivire lv. X’s Pulse Barrier. Therefore it counters nothing.

    As for the list, I would consider dropping one of the SV Metagross for one from LA, or possibly just adding one in and not dropping any of the SV so you still have 2 for consistency. Being able to do your own Gust tricks is great with Gengar because you can get more easy prizes that way, bringing up a heavy retreater and, under immunity, taking out as many Pokemon as you can before they Warp/Switch/retreat. (And when they do, you’ll just try another Magnetic Reversal on the same Pokemon.)

    I actually don’t think max Crobat G abuse is as necessary here anymore with Metagross SV in the mix; you’re already getting the OHKO on all of the stuff you would need Crobat G for usually, and right now you’re devoting 5 spots to borderline redundancy (borderline because I do realize there will always be SOME occasion where Flash Bite is useful in every deck). You could probably cut the Poketurn and keep the Crobat G just for those special instances.

    I also feel that Call energy is important here, even though you will usually be going for Pitch Dark turn 1. Too many decks have ways to donk you even without trainers (thanks to BTS mainly), and Call is, as always, such good insurance against that.

    I have been experimenting with Unown Q as a way to get Relincanth in and out without wasting your energy. You might try one here. If you expect a lot of Gengar mirrors, I would also run a second Unown G. As for the lone BTS, I would experiment with Miasma (and possibly up it to 2). It has always been good with Gengar, but it is even better with Metagross SV also involved. A lot of SP decks have no counter for it once it drops and will end up losing Pokemon a lot sooner because of it.

  • Power Swing

    Why doesn’t mismagius discard unown g
    I mean after you attach it it’s no longer a pokemon but a pokemon tool

  • Power Swing

    Why doesn’t mismagius discard unown g
    I mean after you attach it it’s no longer a pokemon but a pokemon tool

  • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

    “Guard” prevents all effects of attacks, and discarding it is considered an effect. The only way to get rid of Unown G is through Hippowdon LV.X, to the best of my knowledge. No attacks can get rid of it.

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    “Guard” prevents all effects of attacks, and discarding it is considered an effect. The only way to get rid of Unown G is through Hippowdon LV.X, to the best of my knowledge. No attacks can get rid of it.

  • Dave Hueglin

    Just to add to Adam’s comment, here’s the ruling from the Pokegym Compendium:

    Crash Chant

    Q. If Unown-G is attached as a tool to a Pokemon and the opponent uses Mismagius’ “Crash Chant” attack, would Unown-G be discarded or not?
    A. No, Unown-G’s GUARD would prevent it from being discarded and you don’t get to add 20 for that tool to Crash Chant’s damage either. (Nov 20, 2008 PUI Rules Team)

    • Power Swing

      Oh ok thanks guys I had seen people get rid of unown g using mismagius before so I figured it was a decent tech but now i’m gonna run relicanth

    • Power Swing

      Oh ok thanks guys I had seen people get rid of unown g using mismagius before so I figured it was a decent tech but now i’m gonna run relicanth

  • Dave Hueglin

    Just to add to Adam’s comment, here’s the ruling from the Pokegym Compendium:

    Crash Chant

    Q. If Unown-G is attached as a tool to a Pokemon and the opponent uses Mismagius’ “Crash Chant” attack, would Unown-G be discarded or not?
    A. No, Unown-G’s GUARD would prevent it from being discarded and you don’t get to add 20 for that tool to Crash Chant’s damage either. (Nov 20, 2008 PUI Rules Team)

    • Power Swing

      Oh ok thanks guys I had seen people get rid of unown g using mismagius before so I figured it was a decent tech but now i’m gonna run relicanth

  • http://HeyTrainer.org/ Pokey

    One of my friends was also playing this and I had to deal with it in T4… but his had Miasma Valley and Devoluter…They worked wonders against me, but then you have to play the SV Baltoys instead of the GE. but with Beldum, if you have to start off with it, you can get the Miasma out turn 2 and if they are playing Flygon/Gyarados/Sp they’ll be taking damage and they are either a flash bite away from an easy KO or a Shadow Room away from the KO.
    Relicanth> Mismagius for this deck, since Mismagius really completely destroys Porygon Z which Gengar already is a heavy favorite over to begin with.

  • http://HeyTrainer.org/ Pokey

    One of my friends was also playing this and I had to deal with it in T4… but his had Miasma Valley and Devoluter…They worked wonders against me, but then you have to play the SV Baltoys instead of the GE. but with Beldum, if you have to start off with it, you can get the Miasma out turn 2 and if they are playing Flygon/Gyarados/Sp they’ll be taking damage and they are either a flash bite away from an easy KO or a Shadow Room away from the KO.
    Relicanth> Mismagius for this deck, since Mismagius really completely destroys Porygon Z which Gengar already is a heavy favorite over to begin with.

  • http://HeyTrainer.org/ Pokey

    One of my friends was also playing this and I had to deal with it in T4… but his had Miasma Valley and Devoluter…They worked wonders against me, but then you have to play the SV Baltoys instead of the GE. but with Beldum, if you have to start off with it, you can get the Miasma out turn 2 and if they are playing Flygon/Gyarados/Sp they’ll be taking damage and they are either a flash bite away from an easy KO or a Shadow Room away from the KO.
    Relicanth> Mismagius for this deck, since Mismagius really completely destroys Porygon Z which Gengar already is a heavy favorite over to begin with.

  • http://HeyTrainer.org Pokey

    One of my friends was also playing this and I had to deal with it in T4… but his had Miasma Valley and Devoluter…They worked wonders against me, but then you have to play the SV Baltoys instead of the GE. but with Beldum, if you have to start off with it, you can get the Miasma out turn 2 and if they are playing Flygon/Gyarados/Sp they’ll be taking damage and they are either a flash bite away from an easy KO or a Shadow Room away from the KO.
    Relicanth> Mismagius for this deck, since Mismagius really completely destroys Porygon Z which Gengar already is a heavy favorite over to begin with.

  • PokeChamp

    I prefer pairing Gengar with Nidoqueen. While the idea is good in theory, Gengar with only 90HP makes it even easier to get around “Fainting Spell”, which is arguably the best (and most luck-based) weapon in your arsenal. As opposed to something like Nidoqueen which almost always forces your opponent to trigger “Fainting Spell”, which can be devastating at times. Really, I could see something like Mother Gengar working with a Metagross SV tech. Metagross is undeniably good in this deck, it is just the fact that “Fainting Spell” can be neutralized easier that makes me shy on playing it.

  • PokeChamp

    I prefer pairing Gengar with Nidoqueen. While the idea is good in theory, Gengar with only 90HP makes it even easier to get around “Fainting Spell”, which is arguably the best (and most luck-based) weapon in your arsenal. As opposed to something like Nidoqueen which almost always forces your opponent to trigger “Fainting Spell”, which can be devastating at times. Really, I could see something like Mother Gengar working with a Metagross SV tech. Metagross is undeniably good in this deck, it is just the fact that “Fainting Spell” can be neutralized easier that makes me shy on playing it.

  • http://sites.google.com/site/hobusu/ hobusu

    I love this! I think this combo is really good.
    I’m going to test this deck ASAP with 1 modification: Replace 1 Gengar (SF) with a Gengar Lv.X (AR).
    The Lv.X has very good – if not perfect – synergy with this deck.
    It increases the HP (Making it harder to knock it out – People have teched solutions to Fainting Spell), It can use Level-Down to lower the Defending Pokemon’s HP further, and it can possibly get multiple KOs with Compound Pain.
    I really, really like this. Keep up the good work!

  • http://sites.google.com/site/hobusu/ hobusu

    I love this! I think this combo is really good.

    I’m going to test this deck ASAP with 1 modification: Replace 1 Gengar (SF) with a Gengar Lv.X (AR).

    The Lv.X has very good – if not perfect – synergy with this deck.
    It increases the HP (Making it harder to knock it out – People have teched solutions to Fainting Spell), It can use Level-Down to lower the Defending Pokemon’s HP further, and it can possibly get multiple KOs with Compound Pain.

    I really, really like this. Keep up the good work!

  • HunterJ

    just needs pokedrawer and call energy in it!!!!
    9/10
    great deck

  • HunterJ

    just needs pokedrawer and call energy in it!!!!
    9/10
    great deck

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