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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437572230 Brenden Clark

    Machamp/Donphan FTW! We need more cards to help Donphan!

    • Anonymous

      Here is my decklist that is my main deck, convieniently. (it’s still a beta list but im working out the kinks.)
      3 Phanphy –HS
      3 Donphan Prime –HS
      3 Machop –TM
      2 Machoke –TM
      2 Machamp –SF
      1 Machamp Prime –TM
      1 Uxie
      ————————————–
      TRAINERS
      ————————————–
      3 Bebe’s Search
      1 Copycat
      1 Cynthia’s Feelings
      1 Energy Returner
      1 Engineer’s Adjustments
      1 Expert Belt
      1 Flower Shop Lady
      1 Looker’s Investigation
      1 Luxury Ball
      1 Memory Berry
      1 Pokedex Handy910is
      1 Pokemon Collector
      3 Pokemon Communication
      2 Pokemon Contest Hall
      1 Premier Ball
      3 Professor Oak’s New Theory
      4 Rare Candy
      3 Super Scoop Up
      1 Team Rocket’s Trickery
      1 TM TS-1
      3 Warp Point
      ——————————————–
      ENERGY
      ——————————————–
      9 Fighting Energy…


      … I am considering Removing 1 rare candy and the TM TS-1

    • Anonymous

      Here is my decklist that is my main deck, convieniently. (it’s still a beta list but im working out the kinks.)
      3 Phanphy –HS
      3 Donphan Prime –HS
      3 Machop –TM
      2 Machoke –TM
      2 Machamp –SF
      1 Machamp Prime –TM
      1 Uxie
      ————————————–
      TRAINERS
      ————————————–
      3 Bebe’s Search
      1 Copycat
      1 Cynthia’s Feelings
      1 Energy Returner
      1 Engineer’s Adjustments
      1 Expert Belt
      1 Flower Shop Lady
      1 Looker’s Investigation
      1 Luxury Ball
      1 Memory Berry
      1 Pokedex Handy910is
      1 Pokemon Collector
      3 Pokemon Communication
      2 Pokemon Contest Hall
      1 Premier Ball
      3 Professor Oak’s New Theory
      4 Rare Candy
      3 Super Scoop Up
      1 Team Rocket’s Trickery
      1 TM TS-1
      3 Warp Point
      ——————————————–
      ENERGY
      ——————————————–
      9 Fighting Energy…


      … I am considering Removing 1 rare candy and the TM TS-1

      • Rokman

        This list is terrible terrible.

        Post it on the forums and I’ll help you out.

      • http://www.facebook.com/zlesage Zachary Lesage

        You could be a tad nicer…

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin-Garcia/676689170 Martin Garcia

        Playing only one card of each is rarely a good choice, unless there is a strong reason behind it. So things like 1 pokedex, 1 TM, 1 Team rockets trickery . . . being terrible cards aside, the numbers are totally off, and your pokemon lines also seem a bit lacking in draw power.

      • Anonymous

        okay, the Premier ball is to get a second machamp lv.x if my first dies. this is my first year playing pokemon TCG so yeah Rokman a tad nicer plz. pokedex and team rockets are for a bit of draw power, im trying to work with what i got which isnt much. Im taking out that TM for the new Alph lithograph.

      • Anonymous

        okay, the Premier ball is to get a second machamp lv.x if my first dies. this is my first year playing pokemon TCG so yeah Rokman a tad nicer plz. pokedex and team rockets are for a bit of draw power, im trying to work with what i got which isnt much. Im taking out that TM for the new Alph lithograph.

      • http://www.facebook.com/zlesage Zachary Lesage

        Be sure to check out my Machamp article when it comes out.

      • Anonymous

        I’ll be sure to. I just want the SP decks gone… LuxChomp DialgaChomp…

      • http://www.facebook.com/zlesage Zachary Lesage

        Without SP decks, another deck would be dominating and that is a fact. Perhaps our metagame would be a tad more diverse, but the same “new” archetypes would get overplayed and someone would complain about that for sure. SP decks are great for this game in my opinion because they take a lot of skill to build, play, and to master!

      • http://www.facebook.com/zlesage Zachary Lesage

        Without SP decks, another deck would be dominating and that is a fact. Perhaps our metagame would be a tad more diverse, but the same “new” archetypes would get overplayed and someone would complain about that for sure. SP decks are great for this game in my opinion because they take a lot of skill to build, play, and to master!

      • Anonymous

        okay, the Premier ball is to get a second machamp lv.x if my first dies. this is my first year playing pokemon TCG so yeah Rokman a tad nicer plz. pokedex and team rockets are for a bit of draw power, im trying to work with what i got which isnt much. Im taking out that TM for the new Alph lithograph.

      • Anonymous

        okay, the Premier ball is to get a second machamp lv.x if my first dies. this is my first year playing pokemon TCG so yeah Rokman a tad nicer plz. pokedex and team rockets are for a bit of draw power, im trying to work with what i got which isnt much. Im taking out that TM for the new Alph lithograph.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin-Garcia/676689170 Martin Garcia

        Playing only one card of each is rarely a good choice, unless there is a strong reason behind it. So things like 1 pokedex, 1 TM, 1 Team rockets trickery . . . being terrible cards aside, the numbers are totally off, and your pokemon lines also seem a bit lacking in draw power.

      • Anonymous

        Besides what the posters above said, what would Premier Ball do? Lol.

    • Anonymous

      Uxie is LA obviously

    • Anonymous

      Uxie is LA obviously

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

    great article bud :) Im guessing your still sticking to your DGX build with black belt and twins added now? thats going to be gross with your staraptor fb :( lol. I’m using Gyarados now but maybe if it doesnt work, ill get back to DGX, except i have to find 2 more DCE now :P.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin-Garcia/676689170 Martin Garcia

      Does twins really work on a SP build? I guess it can be useful in a mirror, but aside from that, isnt it just a dead draw most of the time?

      • http://www.facebook.com/zlesage Zachary Lesage

        Considering SP decks are at the very least 50% of the format, I must state that Twins is very viable as a 1-of supporter in LuxChomp (it is even more viable with a Dtaraptor FB Lv.X line). I have been in situations where I purposely bait my opponent by using a Roserade GL, getting behind a prize and then sweeping after a Twins. It doesn’t have to be used but, I would recommend it :)

  • Anonymous

    How is VileGar not on this list? For the amount of Trainers these decks need to run, VileGar shuts them down and OHKO everything in it’s path. And let’s not forget the Feinting Spell with a 50/50 chance to KO your Pokemon after you knock out a Gengar. And then there is the Gengar Prime tech to Lost Zone all your important Pokemon like Garchomp C Lv.X, etc. Gyrados? Machamp? Once those trainers are shut down, it’s lights out.

  • Anonymous

    How is VileGar not on this list? For the amount of Trainers these decks need to run, VileGar shuts them down and OHKO everything in it’s path. And let’s not forget the Feinting Spell with a 50/50 chance to KO your Pokemon after you knock out a Gengar. And then there is the Gengar Prime tech to Lost Zone all your important Pokemon like Garchomp C Lv.X, etc. Gyrados? Machamp? Once those trainers are shut down, it’s lights out.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

      you clearly haven’t seen a properly constructed Machamp and Gyarados list. They can easily outpower and outspeed VileGar and their amount of trainers are little to none. VileGar is a good deck, but its just way too slow and the amount of techs ppl are using to easily counter it definately doesn’t put it in top 4. AS long as you move that initial spiritomb out of active to burn through your little trainers, or set up your main attacker, it is lights out

      • Anonymous

        So you think that a Vilegar deck only runs one or two trainers in it? How do you propose to ” move that initial spiritomb out of active to burn through your little trainers”? I love Regice, because then I can bring it active with my Frosslass and watch people burn 3 energy in 3 turns to get rid of it. And if I do see a Regice or any card that can move my active Tomb, I always make sure there is one on the bench. My Vileplume is always up on Turn 2, so your scenario is not reality, except of course if you play in Juniors, maybe.

      • http://twitter.com/GTP24 Poteet24

        Lol what?Have you never heard of Warp Energy (Gyarados) or Machamp Prime (Machamp) both solve the problem of that Regice, and then Frosslass is dead…

        Also, unless you’re benching 2 tombs off the bat, I’m getting one Regi-Move in, plus dumping trainers for poltergeist the rest of the game….

        have you tested this?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        take a look at most top tier stage1/2 decks, they run little to no trainers, and sure there are supporters but they all get discarded with Regice, sure you can bring it active, but thats what warp energies are for. Also Maybe your playing in juniors if your able to get vileplume set up turn 2. I’ve never played an opponent in my division (masters) who were able to get vileplume set up turn 2 without having all of the pokemon line + the BTS in hand. Even if Vileplume is set up, it doesn’t affect the deck as much as i will be losing little to nothing because of the lack of trainers used in the decks. You could prob see that VileGar didn’t have much success in many battle roads anyways.

      • Anonymous

        Apparently you haven’t been playing against any good VileGar decks as a game where I can’t get out a Vileplume by turn two is a bad game.

        That said, I agree that I don’t think VileGar is top tier. It is like number 5 on the list really as it beats many decks, but not all of them. We’ll have to see how cities turns out this year, what wins and what loses.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Bae/583235222 Peter Bae

        makes sense. It’s not like i dont like the deck, I actually like it :P especially with Gengar Prime in play, it has so many more options to dominate the format maybe. But I just don’t think it is fast enough to compete with other decks right now and normally I see many VileGar players being stuck with Spiritomb, VilePlume, and than their Spiritomb gets knocked out and they struggle to get a gengar set up even fi they get turn2/3 vileplume up

      • http://www.facebook.com/zlesage Zachary Lesage

        GenPlume is a weak deck IMO. It is piloted by quite a few players and dominates those who haven’t tested vs it extensively. And if I get any comments on this based off of “you haven’t played vs any good VileGar lists/players”, I have been play testing vs a World Champion who sweeped BRs with his list (5 or 6 BR wins).

        Peter is right.

      • Anonymous

        Replying to Peter with his comment about not getting Vileplume out by turn two, not abut the viability of a VileGar deck in general. I agree with you about how weak the deck is comparatively. I’d put it on par with Machamp before Machamp Prime was released. I think it has the capability of being a top tier deck, but it’s just missing that extra little bit to really get it there.

  • the sidewalk

    I was outraged by the lack of Warp Energy in this list until I took a moment to read things over…

  • Anonymous

    I’ve never really felt too strong about using Staraptor FB-X as a draw engine, but as a Garchomp counter it looks great.

    [hey Adam, Lesage still needs that Blaziken FB-X up on his article]

    • http://www.facebook.com/zlesage Zachary Lesage

      The thing is, Staraptor FB Lv.X is a very versatile card and it has been working fantastically for me ever since I was shown how to truly utilize it. It is a very strong Garchomp C Lv.X counter and it allows me to “break” a Cyrus’ Chain mid-game and start it again late game. It is just an overall great card!

  • 2decktom

    Great article! I have been trying to perfect my LuxChomp list and now I can!

    • http://www.facebook.com/zlesage Zachary Lesage

      Hey, thanks for the comment and I am also glad it helped you (or is helping) you out! Be sure to look out for my next article, which will be a full out DialgaChomp, Machamp, or Gyarados analysis.

      • 2decktom

        Damn, no BlazeChomp! Oh well, I’ll be looking forward to DialgaChomp!

      • http://www.facebook.com/zlesage Zachary Lesage

        I have never felt like Sablock/BlazeChomp has had a true edge over any LuxChomp or DialgaChomp and I will stand by that statement. Perhaps I will do a BlazeChomp article in the future but, IDK for sure.

        My DialgaChomp article should be up within the next 2 weeks so stay tuned :)

      • 2decktom

        Nah, it’s fine! And I am very fine tuned for all articles!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin-Garcia/676689170 Martin Garcia

        i agree about luxchomp having the edge, but blazechomp destroys dialga, and not only for the x2 weakness. Dialga isnt a threat at all since his body is useless, and he cant tank/cycle heal with chomp.
        Of course, it has to be played right, and will come down to garchomp C vs garchomp C, as any other SP match up.

      • 2decktom

        I agree. Whenever it’s SP vs. SP, it’s really just battle of the Garchomps.

      • http://www.facebook.com/zlesage Zachary Lesage

        I find that my list has a complete edge over any SP deck with Garchomp and I will go as far to say that I would love to battle Garchomp-based SP decks every round in a tournament. My list plays a 3-1 Garchomp line, a Dragonite FB, a Staraptor FB Lv.X, and an Energy Exchanger! BlazeChomp can’t really play more than that, but the Blazekin is better than Dialga in that match-up. Either way, it is a positive match-up for me skill/list-wise.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AZ7MP235S56SS6AWRV6ML34KEM dude

    lol lets not turn this into a donphan/machamp thread…

    this was a great read! although IMHO a base luxchomp list should have 3 lightning energy. cant wait for the dialgachomp section haha

    • http://www.facebook.com/zlesage Zachary Lesage

      Actually, I think quite a few LuxChomps have 2 electric energy but, 3 is a solid number. A base list is the bare structure so I decided that for the players who need the 3rd energy, they can add it as one of their spaces.

  • Anonymous

    When are cities this year???

    • Anonymous

      Pokémon.com says November-January. You’ll have to check with your local PTO for specific dates.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=543741636 Jason Windham

    wheres the drifblim love.

    • http://www.facebook.com/zlesage Zachary Lesage

      Well, I will be honest and I overlooked it, but I don’t think it takes away from my article. I figured that Mewtwo Lv.X isn’t too big of a threat and that Dialga Lv.X is a lot more versatile. I don’t think I would ever run Drifblim personally because I don’t think it is needed in most metagames and because I am perfectly content with my list ATM.