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  • Anonymous

    Awesome article! The only thing I really dislike is the lack of Chatot G. If I were to run a variation of this deck I would probably run it with an SP Pokemon such as Luxray GL “LV.X”. I haven’t tested this deck though so your probably right.

    Keep up the Good work!

    Genguy.

    • Lamar

      Hey thanks! I do like the idea of putting either a Chatot G SV or Slowking HS in here to be able to destroy their draw too. However, I noticed that testing that you’ll have to wait a turn after using “Psychic Strategy” because your opponent will have to shuffle their deck when you attack. If your opponent finds something good it wouldn’t have mattered if you could use “Disrupting Spy” on your next turn. Or, if they do not draw into anything useful, you have put them a turn behind and you are ready to release the hounds (Donphans) on them.

      I think I would like Chatot G here instead of Slowking because I’d want to pick up whichever one off the bench frequently so it is not hurt by Donphan’s “Earthquake.” I think Slowking is usually the right choice in a non-SP (read non-Sable-Lock) deck, but I couldn’t rely on keeping him as a liability on the bench turn after turn.

    • Anonymous

      I was thinking the exact same thing. 3-1 BlazeRay, Blaziken would give you a consistent way to grab regice off the bench vs. Gyarados (actually any pixie if you go the energy denial route), and Luxray would be there for ultimately killing the dos. Chatot G would perform disruption. Also one last card that would be worth teching is Bannette. It lets you instantly lower your hand down to zero for psychic strategy. What’s better than that?

      • Lamar

        I’m not a fan of Bannette because you end up killing resources. I think this deck can usually get through a hand fairly easily. I’d rather give them one card because I couldn’t use a second Supporter than to get rid of something else I may need later.

        I don’t get what you mean by BlazeRay. Are you saying I should play BlazeRay over this? Or somehow incorporate it into this deck?

      • Anonymous

        When he says to play Blazeray, he means:

        - 4-4 Donphan
        -9 Fighting Energy

        +3-1 Blaziken FB
        +2-2 Luxray GL
        +2 Lightning
        +2 Fire
        +1 Chatot G
        +2 Warp Energy
        +1 Bronzong G
        +1 Execute LA
        Then adjust your Engine to a T1 speed engine with an SP engine built into it.

      • Anonymous

        When he says to play Blazeray, he means:

        - 4-4 Donphan
        -9 Fighting Energy

        +3-1 Blaziken FB
        +2-2 Luxray GL
        +2 Lightning
        +2 Fire
        +1 Chatot G
        +2 Warp Energy
        +1 Bronzong G
        +1 Execute LA
        Then adjust your Engine to a T1 speed engine with an SP engine built into it.

      • Lamar

        I don’t hate it. You’ve definitely given me something to test out. The only thing I’m weary about is that you’d just end up with a less consistent way of running SP.

        My focus was on something that could beat LuxChomp and still stand a chance against the rest of the field. I think normal Donphan lists encounter some difficulty because they do not have a disruptive option.

        If I looked at my typical version of how I’d make a BlazeRay list, I’d be hard pressed to think of where I could swat out for the 10 spots needed (3-3 Exeggutor + 4 BTS, 11 if I chose to run a 4-3 line, which isn’t a terrible idea). But who knows, it could work out like 3 Warp Energy and a Dragonite FB and be the next big thing for SP!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/IIHNMEBSBCDGC33VSOSIXZAQSE Kyle

    just a tip( i dont play donphans but i saw something in minor tourneys here)… add a 2-2 line of dodrio undaunted…when the 2 dodrio are on the bench, donphan prime gets a free retreat cost

    • Lamar

      I think Dodrio is an underrated tech, especially with anything playing Spiritomb as a starter or locker (like in a hit and run strategy). Although Dodrio is just going to get hit by “Earthquake” and be easy prizes for your opponent. Not to mention Luxray GL Lv.X feasts upon this bird like it was Thanksgiving. Plus there are cards like Warp Point and Super Scoop Up to take a Donphan out of the Active spot.

      I’d rather fit Warp Energy in the list before Dodrio. Although I’d love to see people toy with this deck. It would really help with getting Exeggutor to the Bench too.

  • Anonymous

    This deck can only withstand the one (1), top-deck after a “Strat” for 0. You are lucky enough if they don’t top Collector, Cyrus, Uxie, Bebe’s, Lux Ball, etc… You can’t give them two top decks! That’s why Slowking HGSS is absolutely necessary, or, a Chatot G + PokeTurn type deal would work as well. I’m also not too convinced that you will be able to pull off a T1 Strat for zero with your TSS line. The way it works best is with max BTS, max Drawer, max Dex, max Communication, and 3-4 Junk Arm. You would then include Regice and Cyclone Energy to get around Spiritomb, and holy moly! I just realized you don’t even play Regice! It is huge if you need to discard a couple cards to get a better strat. Bascially, with the above build, you beat EVERYTHING except trainer lock, and even then it becomes possible with Regice and Warp Energy. We also played it with Flygon X instead of Donphan, to rearrange their good top decks to be discarded, and then give them the bad ones. That being said, Donphan takes up a lot less space and is also a viable option for this deck. Give ‘em crap and then just roll through ‘em with Earthquake. You should also consider adding in Ambipom G and 1 or 2 Psychic Energy, as Azelf can troll people pretty badly in this deck. Lock Up and keep them away from cards like Warp Point/Energy. Ambipom is to prevent one energy attackers from rolling through you once you have achieved the lock. good luck!

    • Lamar

      Every one of your suggestions is golden! I do like Flygon Lv.X over Donphan as far as disruption goes. What I think Flygon brings to the table in free retreat and attacks not hitting your bench would allow you to have things like Slowking and Regice on the bench and not constantly put them in “Shadow Room” range.

      Deep down inside me I want Regice in my list, but I can’t do it because of a couple of reasons. Bad starts in the past still haunt me. If I start with him and can’t get him off the Bench or out of the Active spot against an SP or Gengar opponent, they’ll just snipe around him. I feel as though I’d then want to have Warp Energy in my list, but without Roseanne’s Research I’d rather just have the necessary energies come to me.

      I’ll admit that I can’t always get a T1 “Psychic Strategy” with my current list. However, I do usually get either an Exeggutor or Donphan T1. I think having Donphan being able to do an immediate 60 damage from the beginning can sometimes be as epic as a T1 “Psychic Strategy” for zero.

      Also something to remember about “Psychic Strategy” is that it is almost a searchable Judge. Even if I have three cards and my opponent has 5, it’s pretty much the same as Sableye using “Impersonate” for a judge (plus one heads on Cyrus). While doing this isn’t a complete lock like Sable-Lock when Chatot G is going, it can still hurt your opponent.

      I probably should have said this in my article (and my apologies for not doing so), I feel like this is a disruptive variant of Donphan, rather than trying to make the next complete lock deck. In order to get a consistent T1 “PS” for Zero, I would have to run a Trainer engine like you said I would. However, this deck would then have no chance against Trainer-Lock because it would run entirely on that. I think the best way this deck handles Spiritomb is with “Earthquake.”

      I definitely appreciate your post. I should try a Trainer version of this deck to see how it works. Thanks for the input!

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, they are two very different decks. I will always have a soft spot for Exeggutor. :p

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dane-Carlson/100000196466246 Dane Carlson

    Cool idea. I’d like to know how it performs at tournaments. Have you (or will you, for that matter) gone to one with this deck? If so, did you place? Please reply, as I would like to know. (I LOVE ROGUE!!!!!)

    • Lamar

      I have not played this in a tourney yet. I feel more comfortable with BlazeChomp at the moment. However, I could see myself playing it in the near future.

    • Anonymous

      An Exeggucutor deck won a Cities in the DFW area, not sue which one but his report is up on the gym.

      • Lamar

        Yeah he used Exeggutor with Ursaring Prime.

  • Anonymous

    Sweet article man.

    • Lamar

      Thank you!

  • Anonymous

    Cool article, warms my heart :) in my expirience, chatot G is excelent (which is why i like to run an SP engine alongside the exeggutor). However, it’s cool to have your own style. Hope you get some good results with it :)

    • Lamar

      Hey were your ears ringing when this article got posted? Thanks for reminding me how awesome Exeggutor LA is. I’ll try this with an SP engine, I’m also curious to see how this runs with Ursaring Prime seeing as someone won a cities with it.

  • the sidewalk

    Why no Unown R?

  • Lamar

    I don’t think Unown R’s are needed for this deck because they would only result in the removal of resources from the deck. I don’t think there’s a single card in this deck I would want to remove for Unown R. Unown R’s are good for shrinking the deck more than the hand. I’m sure the strategy requires a smaller deck.

    However, there’s more than one way to skin a cat. If you come up with a different version of this strategy, please submit it for posting. I love seeing rogue decks and alternative plays on the SixPrizes main page.