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  • Anonymous

    I personally do not have the card pool to run this or I likely would.

    However, there is still the possibility of a mid-season rotation where sableye would be gone.

    The counter to this is going to be having multiple Spiritomb in play. Just good luck drawing two to open the game.

    • Anonymous

      They can’t take advantage of regice on turn one. Just run 4 tombs, 2-4 sableye, 4 collectors, 4 call. Even then you’re not full proof, but at least you’ll have a good chance of avoiding the OTK.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4PFZCBSYSMTRDCWKPPOH5PPNVY Ash

    haha well if u think about the changes and how people who play the metagame use cards into the ground, everyone will probably run Sableeye as a starter making overeager a mute point. So it will again go back to the ol’ coin flip. Yay Metagame……

  • Sam Marshall-Smith

    Well I play Shuppet and I just got 4 Sableye off Ebay, so I’m pretty much ready for this format…

  • Anonymous

    THIS FORMAT SUCKS………………

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4PFZCBSYSMTRDCWKPPOH5PPNVY Ash

      Well, sometimes it takes a big mistake to make something grow. Maybe this is TCG’s time for that.

      • Anonymous

        They had their chance last year when they should have rotated ALL of D&P out, along with Platinum to slow the meta down, then we wouldn’t have such a dreary meta like we do now. People would actually have to build decks, and not rely on an engine exclusevly for certain cards.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4PFZCBSYSMTRDCWKPPOH5PPNVY Ash

        Well lets wait and see how this all plays out before we all burn those new rule inserts in the starter decks.

  • Anonymous

    My problem with this list is that against trainerlock, you aren’t very likely to have that one copy of Collector in your hand, which makes regice fairly redundant. Impersonating for a collector only gives your opponent a chance to get that second Spiritomb out anyway. It’s also a horrible potential starter. The best thing you can do against spiritomb is to run that 4th Crobat G to give you better odds of starting with one. Also the Unown D seems like wasted space on the bench when you could just mill through the deck and find the energies instead.

    • Anonymous

      Does it just go back to a coin flip if both people start with Sableye? Sableye maybe it’s own counter…>_>

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4PFZCBSYSMTRDCWKPPOH5PPNVY Ash

        pretty much! thats wat i was saying. If everyone uses sableye, then it’ll b down to the coin flip. It’s a dumb setup but just as Lost world wasn’t the threat everyone made it out to be, I don’t think Sableye Donk will be either.

      • Anonymous

        Let’s hope on that. If not for sp and md still being around, this really would not be a problem at all actually.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4PFZCBSYSMTRDCWKPPOH5PPNVY Ash

        Very true indeed. But thats human error for you.

  • Anonymous

    Looks like I’ll be starting with 2 spiritombs as much as possible.

    • Anonymous

      Apparently you will also be starting with two comments as much as possible. :)

  • Anonymous

    Looks like I’ll be starting with 2 spiritombs as much as possible.

  • Anonymous

    So can you walk me through the math on all your percentages…or did you just make them up?

  • http://www.teamomar.com/ Ed

    I don’t think you’ll need 4 Energy AND a Unown Dark. You have to decide if you’re going just for a turn-1 win or if you want to sustain after that. If you’re going for the triple-donk (or whatever), then the extra energy is going to hurt. If you want to sustain for some turns after the first, then you might need an alternate attacker. No longer can Uxie recurse itself with Plus Powers, and Sableye will be fairly worthless if they can put out a defender with more HP after you’ve spent all your Poke Turns.

  • http://www.jiabdesign.weebly.com/ JordanBaker

    Why not play a few more energy and some exchangers?

  • Travis

    The problem isn’t the rule change, but that they need to wait on changing them until the donking pokemon are gone. Sableye is the perfect example of a card that benifits 100% too much from trainers on first turn.

  • http://twitter.com/curtmina Curtis Hill

    I’m Seriously frustrated at TCPI for going with these rules changes, as I can’t make regionals due to school the next time I can play will be with these incredibly unbalanced rulings. As much as a rotation would help it still doesn’t solve the problem that the person who goes first has a significant advantage over his opponent. I also really doubt that TCPI will make a rotation as their record pretty well shows they don’t make the best decisions for the format. So the next time I play will probably be in a format where you either get donked or can’t play trainers for most of the game neither of which is fun to me.

  • http://twitter.com/mngf87 Martin Garcia

    I dont have anything against you peter, but people making lists for these types of decks that are made to abuse bad rules really make me sad.
    Its not like i wasnt expecting players to abuse this thing, but i really would like they didnt.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not like this wasn’t predicted.

    People have been dreading this ever since the JPN rules got translated.

    The screw up is obvious – we are having to use rules that were never designed for MD-on. They are for HGSS-on. Why do we have this crap? I dunno. Because it’s easier than delaying the rulebook, bans, or mid season rotations I guess.

    It won’t shock anyone if this gets played a whole lot. It’s not like there aren’t already a ton of players who choose to use dumb donk decks that could be built and played by a poorly trained monkey.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XUUNX7VMZ4VU2VXABXPFNYONJQ Edgar F

      Obviously this will be played a lot, and again the reason comes down to TPCi deciding to not do any development in North America. They release what they see with no changes, just like every other bad import TCG. It’s days like this I REALLY miss WotC.

      • Anonymous

        To be fair they did do something to help the format – not releasing Pokemon Catcher. I honestly don’t know how much freedom TPCI have. Is it even possible for them to do mid-season rotations/bans/rule delays? Would they be allowed to? Would it hurt their business too much? (Most of their business isn’t competitive players at all).

        I still like to think that TPCI do their best for the players under cricumstances which they don’t choose and can’t do much about.

  • Anonymous

    Something I’d like to point out about this deck is that it’s fantastic in the new format, but only early game. Whom ever goes first gets the chance to donk, but it’s no guarantee. As long as you can lock untill 2-3 of your Pokemon are above 90 or so health you’ll be sweeping their field like no one’s business, due to their weak late game build.
    To be truthfull, I’m looking forward to the new format. Decks like Donphan, and other Stage 1′s and 2′s will become more popular. Spiritomb is the obvious counter to Sableye, and Spiritomb accelerates evolutions, making those deck’s more playable or course. Once again, as long as you can out live a few turns, slow them down in other words, you’ll be fine.

    Back to talking about the article though, good job. There are some tech’s I probably wouldn’t put in but still not bad. Sableye’s a bit of a sensitive topic right now, and it’s good to see someone cover this controversial card.