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  • Anonymous

    I remember making this deck when bored of Gyarados. I ran a plain 2-1-2 line of Machamp. I just found it incredibly inconsistent that I never wanted to go near it again.

    I wholly disagree with your luxchomp mu score. Not even straight machamp has it that easy even with a huge speed engine, a 2-1-2 or 3-2-3 tech of machamp will not do enough damage considering luxchomp runs Uxie X and sometimes Drifblim, and you’re struggling to get those fighting energies to keep the machamp swarm up.

    How much testing against good people have you done with this? I could be wrong about it but I could get it to work against the lesser people at my league but when it got to the people who typically qualify for worlds, they’d dismantle it.

  • http://twitter.com/soujiroelric Carlos Vergara

    …What’s the strategy behind this? I don’t really get it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QN5SCPLONI57JVRT3TSTJGNVQ Chris Barrieau

    I think this idea has potential, but it’s just being used in the wrong way. I think Machamp should only be used as a tech here, maybe a 1-1-1 tech or something. 2-2 belted Luxray makes the luxchomp very hard for Gyarados. That’s what made me lose in top 4 at Provincials against Curtis Lyon. So I think machamp might be an idea of a tech to counter Luxray.

    But, I don’t think this should be a whole deck. Also, if you want to integrate Machamp, you should heighten up on the switching possibilities….. Such as Warp Energy and Warp Point. I also find that is key to having some good consistency.

    Note: My playstyle has been reported to be very different than the norm when playing Gyarados… So though my mentions may work for me, they might not work for everybody else. …Just sayin’. :)

  • Anonymous

    no

  • Anonymous

    i dont agree with luxchomp, dioalagchomp, or sablelock. i think they should all be even as best. most dalagachomp players choose to run toxicroak g PL which in turn runs over machamp. most good luxchomp players have a strategy and can almost gurantee taking 2-3 machamps. and against sablelock they will lock you. if that happens your dead. also i dont beleive BDk is too horibble as gyrados runs over it.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think you invented this deck, people have been messing around with it since last season…

    I think the article could be a little longer and more detailed as opposed to “Take Out Take Out!” Most SP players will make the matchup harder for you, and can usually KO 2-3 Machamps. Then its just a matter of a Psychic Restore followed by a Dragon Rush.

  • Matthew Piela

    I believe Vilegar would be a must more unfavorable match-up than just slightly unfavorable. If they start with a spiritomb (which is highly probable) they can set up much faster, and seeing as the high t/s/s count and the fact that BTS just helps them, i think Vilegar would be the worst match up. Decent idea though.

  • Anonymous

    I am not sure you playtested this or not. However, I can’t imagine taking one of the best decks in the game (gyarados) and gimping it is a good idea. Gyarados has a good chance against everything out there even vilegar and luxchomp.

    In order for g-dos to excel though it needs speed and consistency. Adding Machamp doesn’t help against anything but luxray. However, even a straight machamp deck has trouble with luxchomp with uxie x, premier ball and lucario. Using it as a tech in gyarados would only make both decks have a harder time with everything.

    I can see a 1-1 donphan for luxchomp, but a whole line of Machamp seems to inconsistent.

  • dgy_97

    Please see this deck Gyarados fast. I think people should start making decks to see faster to build as soon as possible the game!
    Stay well everyone! = D
    http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=96043