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  • Anonymous

    Gengar decks… I’m not sure how this is favorable, because all of your status conditions mean nothing when they can retreat every turn for free. Same with SP builds.

    I’m not sure why you bothered mentioning blissey/meganium, a deck which never gets ran :(

    Also, you only have 4 matchups.

    Also, you have no way to search for energy, and you only run 5 grass.

    Don’t take this as ‘your deck is bad and you should feel bad’, take it as ‘the first things that could cause a large detriment to this deck are…, and you should make sure you prevent them from happening or being an issue’

  • Yokai

    Ill be very honest and say, I too love Beautifly… but its a stage 2 that cant really kill anything. Same with dustox. Stage 2′s only have advantages over SP decks if they can tank/OHKO/disrupt IMO. getting 3 stage 2′s into play is extremely difficult with the speedy meta. Also of note is beautiflies crappy lightening weakness with luxray Gl running around.

    Also, what evidence do you have for your matchups?

    All in all, it needs some tweaking, like maybe going for a more speedy build with beautifly only to try to get the early KO’s with silver powder if you wanted to make the bug work.

    Or maybe even going for straight dustox with magmortar SV to provide the 2 special conditions to activate its pokebody? Hell if you really want, why not try Dustox and roserade from unleashed, for psychic/grass it activates special conditions, then running something like shaymin UL to move those energies around could be cool.

    Food for thought.

  • SkyAoiSora

    It’s very easy to get out of having burn and/or poison. If you get rid of that, you get rid of the trouble caused by Dustox’ camouflage pattern. You can switch, warp point, evolve, devolve, SSU, poke turn, full heal, or use other stuff to heal.

    Quite Frankly, Beautifly’s ability to do 60 damage for 1 energy is ok, but it’s a stage 2… If that’s the best it can do, it doesn’t rate as amazing in my book.

    Adding Nidoqueen RR’s maternal comfort does not turn your pokemon into tanks. Sorry, but no. I hate when people do this. If you can bring your Torterra to Torterra Lv. X, have a ShayminX in play to bring its HP up another 40, and then belt it, and have 3 Defense Cherrim and another Healing Cherrim, then you’ve got a 220HP Pokemon with +300 Defense and 50 healing per turn. THEN you can call it a tank. But having a moth and and a butterfly healing 10 damage per turn…. This is not a tank. To all people who do this, stop calling them tanks, they’re just regular things healing off of Nidoqueen.

    I don’t think Uxie X should be incorporated into every single deck. it needs to be levelled up after all. Sure, it’s a good Machamp Counter, but you have nothing (besides Spiritomb and Uxie) that needs to worry about Machamp. If you were running SP, then sure, have an Uxie X. But in a S2 deck, it’s really not necessary. Focus more on what your deck is supposed to do, and try thinning out your decklist itself by incorporating 4 SSU for 2 Uxie (3 just clogs the bench), 4 Pokedex Handy, and 4 Poke Drawer. To have your deck flow better, have some Professor Oak’s New Theory, or Judge if you want to sacrifice a bit of flow for disruption.

    Spiritomb is basically something you would NEED to have.

    Gengar SF will often use their sniping abilities on your dustox instead of their poltergeist. they also have free retreat, and their sniping attack uses only 1 energy, so it’s way too easy to get out of your burn and poison.

    Very often, SP’s will indeed be too fast for your type of deck.

    Machamp can use Rage to easily destroy your deck. However, I do agree that you’d have a better matchup against Machamp than, say, SP.

    Now, your decklist.
    I personally don’t think running 4 Spiritomb is very necessary, but I personally haven’t tried it. So I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. I’m confused as to why you have 2 Silcoon and one Beautifly, while you have 1 Cascoon and 2 Dustox…. Did you maybe accidentally reverse these?
    In my opinion, 3 Uxie causes Bench clogging, and dead draws. I’d personally stick with 2.

    My only other thing I can say… You do NOT need 4 Pokemon Collectors. I don’t know why people spam this so much, 1 or 2 and you’re fine. Pokemon Collector is meant to be a get up and go card for early game, or to go fetch you some Uxie and Unown tools or something like that. I’d reduce your PC’s to 1 or 2.

    Overall, I don’t think this deck is all that great, in my opinion… It’s too easy to get out of your Burn Poison, and you’re not exactly tanking enough. Also, your hits aren’t all that hard. I would say it’s a nice base, but I don’t think this could evolve much into something… I rate this deck a 4/10.

  • SkyAoiSora

    I like the idea of Roserade and Dustox. Seems it could work a lot better than the current build.

  • djerf

    you could try adding leafeon from undaunted as a heavy hitter, for 1 grass, it does 50 for ech special condition the defending pokemon is effected by…

  • SkyAoiSora

    Hmm…. I think this could work, but it loosens up the synergy for the deck. Leafeon would pair MUCH better than Roserade, but that’d end up being a completely different deck. Beautifly and Dustox are paired because they have the same basic pokemon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordandbaker Jordan Baker

    warp point and poketurn destroy status condition decks. they just wont work in the current meta

  • Rhin

    Its ok if you wanna give advice on how to improve the deck, but i think those changes would make an entirely different deck from what he wants.
    Anyways, if your are going to change the attackers, make it roserade-leafeon, i think thats even better.
    Its faster and needs less energies.

  • SkyAoiSora

    I know that (to the first part of your comment)… I even stated:

    “but that’d end up being a completely different deck.”

    :P

  • Pikey

    *agrees with sky*

    I’ve been looking at Dustox in my folder for a while thinking “This is an amazing card” but unfortunately, almost everything seems to have free retreat now. They’ve cycled out Unown G, and given almost every pokemon in existence free retreat. What a stupid idea.

    Unfortunately; although i absolutely love this deck idea I won’t be trying it because of that :(

    (Come on, a giant fat blobby Gengar has 0 retreat, while a Charizard that FLIES, has a retreat cost of 3?!? Originally “back in the day” only flying Pokemon got a free retreat…)

  • SkyAoiSora

    Now that you mention it………………………..

    XD

  • pho

    You could use Vilepume UD as a trainer lock and Vespiquen UD to prevent bench damage to your grass pokemon. So, no Warp Pointing, and Garchomp can’t snipe your benched Beautifly. Having Dugtrio PL would add 20 damage each time Garchomp/Luxray retreat to get rid of statuses. I would bump up Beautifly to 2 instead because not many people will have more than one Luxray Lv.X to Bright Look Beautifly.

  • TheTahnae

    I love this deck, played it a wee bit myself!

  • hgssprime

    What i think is a nice combo involving spec. conditions? Leafeon from UD and Magmortar SV. Leafeon active, attach 1 energy, evolve benched magmar to Magmortar, defending pokemon becomes burned and confused and then Leafeon’s miasma wind hits for 100. Not to bad right? With BTS in play and using SSU’s or just simply evolving into another magmortar, leafeon hits for 100 just about every turn for only 1 energy.

  • Cschmidt

    I think that you might consider Energy Exchange. Trading calls for DCEs or Grass sounds pretty effective

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XUUNX7VMZ4VU2VXABXPFNYONJQ Edgar F

    Honestly, I don’t know if Beautifly means a thing in this deck anymore. Dustox on the other hand is a wrecking ball in this metagame, forcing poke turns, retreats, etc. LuxTox anyone?