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  • kwisdumb

    I think the relatively low damage:energy ratio, combined with the high retreat costs, and the possibility that Power Spray will completely wreck you are really the determining factors here. A kid at league plays with Hippowdon/Machamp and it’s alright for that environment, but I don’t see it being viable as long as SPs, Kingdra, Gyarados, Beedrill, etc. are still around.

    Very well written article, though. Good job!

  • kwisdumb

    I think the relatively low damage:energy ratio, combined with the high retreat costs, and the possibility that Power Spray will completely wreck you are really the determining factors here. A kid at league plays with Hippowdon/Machamp and it’s alright for that environment, but I don’t see it being viable as long as SPs, Kingdra, Gyarados, Beedrill, etc. are still around.

    Very well written article, though. Good job!

  • Woodstock

    First, awesome article. Great in-depth analysis of Hippowdon which I have completely forgotten about as you said. I haven’t heard that Pokemon’s name for months, haha.

    Next, I kind of have to agree with kwisdumb…. Hippowdon can only do a max 80 for four energy’s whereas Gyarados can do a max 90 for no energy’s. Hippowdon looks like a cool card at first glance, but then when you take in the 4 energy retreat, the 4 energy requirement, and the only once per-game poke-body, it doesn’t look so magnificent anymore.

    I’d be highly surprised if this card came into meta-game use one day, but who knows… Maybe there will be a card to come out that is just destined to be paired with Hippowdon, haha :P

  • Woodstock

    First, awesome article. Great in-depth analysis of Hippowdon which I have completely forgotten about as you said. I haven’t heard that Pokemon’s name for months, haha.

    Next, I kind of have to agree with kwisdumb…. Hippowdon can only do a max 80 for four energy’s whereas Gyarados can do a max 90 for no energy’s. Hippowdon looks like a cool card at first glance, but then when you take in the 4 energy retreat, the 4 energy requirement, and the only once per-game poke-body, it doesn’t look so magnificent anymore.

    I’d be highly surprised if this card came into meta-game use one day, but who knows… Maybe there will be a card to come out that is just destined to be paired with Hippowdon, haha :P

  • Woodstock

    First, awesome article. Great in-depth analysis of Hippowdon which I have completely forgotten about as you said. I haven’t heard that Pokemon’s name for months, haha.

    Next, I kind of have to agree with kwisdumb…. Hippowdon can only do a max 80 for four energy’s whereas Gyarados can do a max 90 for no energy’s. Hippowdon looks like a cool card at first glance, but then when you take in the 4 energy retreat, the 4 energy requirement, and the only once per-game poke-body, it doesn’t look so magnificent anymore.

    I’d be highly surprised if this card came into meta-game use one day, but who knows… Maybe there will be a card to come out that is just destined to be paired with Hippowdon, haha :P

  • Spadeace/Chan

    Javier Perez of Chicago definitely top 128′d with Hippos during the last Nationals. It had a real nice match-up vs Infernape/Luxray but as stated has a really hard time vs efficient water types.

  • Spadeace/Chan

    Javier Perez of Chicago definitely top 128′d with Hippos during the last Nationals. It had a real nice match-up vs Infernape/Luxray but as stated has a really hard time vs efficient water types.

  • Mach

    Oh, I forgot to mention Cyrus’s Initiative’s ability to get rid of Power Sprays, but I don’t think it matters much, does it?

  • Mach

    Oh, I forgot to mention Cyrus’s Initiative’s ability to get rid of Power Sprays, but I don’t think it matters much, does it?

  • Power Swing

    One combo with hippowdon that I liked was flygon/hippowdon if you were down on prizes you could sand reset and have a T2 flygon. I also tried it with weavile to spear it up when you weren’t down on prizes. I dropped it though when flychamp rose but I will probably try it again now double colorless energy is coming back. Great article though.

  • Power Swing

    One combo with hippowdon that I liked was flygon/hippowdon if you were down on prizes you could sand reset and have a T2 flygon. I also tried it with weavile to spear it up when you weren’t down on prizes. I dropped it though when flychamp rose but I will probably try it again now double colorless energy is coming back. Great article though.

  • Power Swing

    One combo with hippowdon that I liked was flygon/hippowdon if you were down on prizes you could sand reset and have a T2 flygon. I also tried it with weavile to spear it up when you weren’t down on prizes. I dropped it though when flychamp rose but I will probably try it again now double colorless energy is coming back. Great article though.

  • masterofpuppets

    I’d like it with Expert Belt, and in a different format. Gyarados/Kingdra are going to give it too many problems for it to really be playable. Otherwise it could definitely have a chance.

  • masterofpuppets

    I’d like it with Expert Belt, and in a different format. Gyarados/Kingdra are going to give it too many problems for it to really be playable. Otherwise it could definitely have a chance.

  • masterofpuppets

    I’d like it with Expert Belt, and in a different format. Gyarados/Kingdra are going to give it too many problems for it to really be playable. Otherwise it could definitely have a chance.

  • http://forum.pokemon.fi/ Tonu

    An active Spiritomb AR is a way to stop SP-decks to use any Power Sprays to block the Sand Reset. But having an active Spiritomb, you prob would like to bench it. So it cost you your once-per-turn-Energy to retreat, Unown Q, Moonlight Stadium, or sacrificing it to your opponent. Luckily it has quite useful move, but I doubt it will be so useful on middle/late-game.

    Getting all the Tools, Energies, etc away from the play area sounds a great, but will it be good enough for this zero-to-one-Energy-Main-Attacker-Metagame? It may hurt your opponent, but it will also hurt you. I think this card isn’t good enough for current MetaGame. The MetaGame are just too fast and it will lose to any upcoming Water decks. The hippos aren’t just good enough to play.

  • http://forum.pokemon.fi Tonu

    An active Spiritomb AR is a way to stop SP-decks to use any Power Sprays to block the Sand Reset. But having an active Spiritomb, you prob would like to bench it. So it cost you your once-per-turn-Energy to retreat, Unown Q, Moonlight Stadium, or sacrificing it to your opponent. Luckily it has quite useful move, but I doubt it will be so useful on middle/late-game.

    Getting all the Tools, Energies, etc away from the play area sounds a great, but will it be good enough for this zero-to-one-Energy-Main-Attacker-Metagame? It may hurt your opponent, but it will also hurt you. I think this card isn’t good enough for current MetaGame. The MetaGame are just too fast and it will lose to any upcoming Water decks. The hippos aren’t just good enough to play.

  • Dave Hueglin

    It would probably be too much trouble trying to get it out into play, but does anyone see the possibility of just using Hippowdon Lv.X as a tech – not as the main attacker? You could run a 1-1-1 line with maybe 2 Level Maxes. It’s more than likely too many cards and too much trouble to try and get it out at the right time.

    • Mach

      This is actually a concept that I’ve really been wanting to try at some point, or possibly at most as a support line. This way you aren’t fully reliant on Hippowdon’s sub-par attacks, and you still have access to Sand Reset if you need it.

  • Dave Hueglin

    It would probably be too much trouble trying to get it out into play, but does anyone see the possibility of just using Hippowdon Lv.X as a tech – not as the main attacker? You could run a 1-1-1 line with maybe 2 Level Maxes. It’s more than likely too many cards and too much trouble to try and get it out at the right time.

    • Mach

      This is actually a concept that I’ve really been wanting to try at some point, or possibly at most as a support line. This way you aren’t fully reliant on Hippowdon’s sub-par attacks, and you still have access to Sand Reset if you need it.

  • mistysama

    I could see using this if you were playing an engeryless deck :D hehehee

    • Dave Hueglin

      J-Wittz said there was lots of room for techs in Gyarados – maybe Hippo could fit in there.

      • quaziko

        I like that idea of trying a tech line in a low-energy deck. More than likely you’ll be using warp points and stuff, and it could completely seal the game once you got rolling. Gyarados with Hippowdon sounds like a pretty cool idea.

  • mistysama

    I could see using this if you were playing an engeryless deck :D hehehee

    • Dave Hueglin

      J-Wittz said there was lots of room for techs in Gyarados – maybe Hippo could fit in there.

      • quaziko

        I like that idea of trying a tech line in a low-energy deck. More than likely you’ll be using warp points and stuff, and it could completely seal the game once you got rolling. Gyarados with Hippowdon sounds like a pretty cool idea.

  • Soul

    Well written article. But don’t you think Hippowdon will be to slow in this format?

  • Soul

    Well written article. But don’t you think Hippowdon will be to slow in this format?

  • Soul

    Well written article. But don’t you think Hippowdon will be to slow in this format?

  • TDA

    With the release of DCE,getting a T2 hippo isnt going to be tough but still the weakness and retreat suck.

  • TDA

    With the release of DCE,getting a T2 hippo isnt going to be tough but still the weakness and retreat suck.

  • TDA

    With the release of DCE,getting a T2 hippo isnt going to be tough but still the weakness and retreat suck.

  • Dave Hueglin

    I am really looking forward to DCE – it’s going to help out a lot of those Colourless Pokemon that have high Energy costs (plus many others like Hippowdon). It should take a bit of the bite out of a lot of SP decks, as many SP Pokemon can’t effectively use DCE and Energy gain together.

    Some SP that have not been used much, e.g Machamp and Gyarados, might get a second look, as they have attacks that can benefit from DCE.

  • Dave Hueglin

    I am really looking forward to DCE – it’s going to help out a lot of those Colourless Pokemon that have high Energy costs (plus many others like Hippowdon). It should take a bit of the bite out of a lot of SP decks, as many SP Pokemon can’t effectively use DCE and Energy gain together.

    Some SP that have not been used much, e.g Machamp and Gyarados, might get a second look, as they have attacks that can benefit from DCE.

  • Dave Hueglin

    I am really looking forward to DCE – it’s going to help out a lot of those Colourless Pokemon that have high Energy costs (plus many others like Hippowdon). It should take a bit of the bite out of a lot of SP decks, as many SP Pokemon can’t effectively use DCE and Energy gain together.

    Some SP that have not been used much, e.g Machamp and Gyarados, might get a second look, as they have attacks that can benefit from DCE.

  • jimbo

    after the release of DCE, does anyone think a flygon/hippowdon RR deck could be viable. Both utilise DCE well and seem to work together. any thoughts?

  • jimbo

    after the release of DCE, does anyone think a flygon/hippowdon RR deck could be viable. Both utilise DCE well and seem to work together. any thoughts?

  • jimbo

    after the release of DCE, does anyone think a flygon/hippowdon RR deck could be viable. Both utilise DCE well and seem to work together. any thoughts?

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