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  • Qua

    I haven’t found a solution against Gengar yet. I currently run one myself, but it only really sucks against mirrors.

    Running a Nidoqueen with it makes it EXTREMELY hard to kill and lucky flips are the worst! With free retreat, poison won’t do too much damage, I mean, I think maybe Blaztran might work well against it.

    • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

      Thanks for the comments man. :) Nidoqueen does make it much more troublesome to avoid “Fainting Spell”. Your best bet is to drop multi Crobat G’s in one turn (with the aid of Poke Turn) and to use Uxie LA (w/ PlusPowers if you have them).

      • Qua

        I agree…but also, wouldn’t that also mean you put multiple Turns in the deck…which basically seems to me you’re centering the deck around Crobat instead of Gengar.

  • Qua

    I haven’t found a solution against Gengar yet. I currently run one myself, but it only really sucks against mirrors.

    Running a Nidoqueen with it makes it EXTREMELY hard to kill and lucky flips are the worst! With free retreat, poison won’t do too much damage, I mean, I think maybe Blaztran might work well against it.

    • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

      Thanks for the comments man. :) Nidoqueen does make it much more troublesome to avoid “Fainting Spell”. Your best bet is to drop multi Crobat G’s in one turn (with the aid of Poke Turn) and to use Uxie LA (w/ PlusPowers if you have them).

      • Qua

        I agree…but also, wouldn’t that also mean you put multiple Turns in the deck…which basically seems to me you’re centering the deck around Crobat instead of Gengar.

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    Thanks for all these comment Qua, it’s awesome to get some good discussion going. :) If you are playing an SP deck, you’ll be playing 4 Poke Turn anyway, so if you can just get Gengar to 60 damage, you would only need to drop Crobat, Poke Turn it, drop it again, then attack with Uxie and that’s 40 damage right there. That isn’t too hard to accomplish.

  • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

    Thanks for all these comment Qua, it’s awesome to get some good discussion going. :) If you are playing an SP deck, you’ll be playing 4 Poke Turn anyway, so if you can just get Gengar to 60 damage, you would only need to drop Crobat, Poke Turn it, drop it again, then attack with Uxie and that’s 40 damage right there. That isn’t too hard to accomplish.

  • Brian

    Gengar takes a big hit next set, but for now, I find that simply rushing it, warping out benched guys for the easy prizes, and key hits followed by uxie/crobat drops, usually can handle gengar/queen.

    • Qua

      What is the “big hit” you’re talking about? I sadly haven’t been keeping up with the next set

  • Brian

    Gengar takes a big hit next set, but for now, I find that simply rushing it, warping out benched guys for the easy prizes, and key hits followed by uxie/crobat drops, usually can handle gengar/queen.

    • Qua

      What is the “big hit” you’re talking about? I sadly haven’t been keeping up with the next set

  • bendingspoons1

    brian what do you mean “big hit” next set, does this mean that it get’s a lot worse than it already is?

    • Qua

      “a lot worse than it already is”

      bendingspoons1, I’m a little confused with your comment, I mean, Gengar is pretty popular and is in the top 3 in all the tourneys around my area at least. It’s considered a tier 1 deck. I wouldn’t say that it’s a BAD card per se. And with Gengar lv.x coming it MIGHT get better…

  • bendingspoons1

    brian what do you mean “big hit” next set, does this mean that it get’s a lot worse than it already is?

    • Qua

      “a lot worse than it already is”

      bendingspoons1, I’m a little confused with your comment, I mean, Gengar is pretty popular and is in the top 3 in all the tourneys around my area at least. It’s considered a tier 1 deck. I wouldn’t say that it’s a BAD card per se. And with Gengar lv.x coming it MIGHT get better…

  • yoyofsho16

    Well…

    I don’t think Gengar is good, personally.

    People tend to overemphasize how bad Fainting Spell is. Usually, in a deck that has little energy cost, I just go for it and take the risk. People work too hard to play around Fainting Spell, and in the end the playing around it puts them in a worse position than if they had just gone for it.

    • http://nigredo.proboards.com/ BiskitFoo

      Exactly. Part of why Gengar has the populace going for it is because of the “fear factor,” if you will, that Fainting Spell has.

  • yoyofsho16

    Well…

    I don’t think Gengar is good, personally.

    People tend to overemphasize how bad Fainting Spell is. Usually, in a deck that has little energy cost, I just go for it and take the risk. People work too hard to play around Fainting Spell, and in the end the playing around it puts them in a worse position than if they had just gone for it.

    • http://nigredo.proboards.com BiskitFoo

      Exactly. Part of why Gengar has the populace going for it is because of the “fear factor,” if you will, that Fainting Spell has.

  • Stigma

    I agree with Yoyo. I think the key to beating gengar is to kill it with very low energy attackers instead of running away. DPL Has a very easy time doing this, as gengars will be softened up with pearl breath and can be killed by luxray or uxie, if you even have to kill a gengar at all.
    Raype also has this advantage over it – although, that matchup is something like 55-45 in gengar’s favor, in my testing.
    I got the farthest of all the raype players in the SR division – To defeat a good gengar, an early claydol kill is extreeeeemely crucial, while STILL managing your powers, trainers, getting claydol out, etc. This proves to be VERY hard to pull off if gengar has a good start, sadly.

  • Stigma

    I agree with Yoyo. I think the key to beating gengar is to kill it with very low energy attackers instead of running away. DPL Has a very easy time doing this, as gengars will be softened up with pearl breath and can be killed by luxray or uxie, if you even have to kill a gengar at all.
    Raype also has this advantage over it – although, that matchup is something like 55-45 in gengar’s favor, in my testing.
    I got the farthest of all the raype players in the SR division – To defeat a good gengar, an early claydol kill is extreeeeemely crucial, while STILL managing your powers, trainers, getting claydol out, etc. This proves to be VERY hard to pull off if gengar has a good start, sadly.

  • http://www.adamcapriola.com/ Adam Capriola

    Nice analysis Stigma! How far did you get at Nationals?

  • http://www.sixprizes.com Adam

    Nice analysis Stigma! How far did you get at Nationals?

  • Stigma

    I made it to top 16. Gengar just has too many weapons on its side for Raype to handle, really. Gengar also tends to be able to get 2 claydols out if they try hard enough…which they obviously should. In my testing, if gengar manages to get both claydols out, it’s going to be a loss. :

  • Stigma

    I made it to top 16. Gengar just has too many weapons on its side for Raype to handle, really. Gengar also tends to be able to get 2 claydols out if they try hard enough…which they obviously should. In my testing, if gengar manages to get both claydols out, it’s going to be a loss. :\

  • vitor2097

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  • vitor2097

    since i was child i like gengar…

  • vitor2097

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  • vitor2097

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  • vitor2097

    oh and by the way continue with this awesome site…

    • Qua

      Hey, not to be rude, but just to let you know, try not to post multiple times in a row. You can always hit the edit button :)

  • vitor2097

    oh and by the way continue with this awesome site…

    • Qua

      Hey, not to be rude, but just to let you know, try not to post multiple times in a row. You can always hit the edit button :)

  • Cesar

    Gengar will be KO’d in hay decks. it’s good when its a supporter to a main poke

  • Cesar

    Gengar will be KO’d in hay decks. it’s good when its a supporter to a main poke

  • Bob

    I run Mewtwo and Mewtwo Lv.X with Gengar and Nidoqueen. The Magestic Dawn one, anyway. It adds the 60 damage, 120 damage, and no damage from basics. It works really well, especially agenst SP decks and when Gengar fails. I also run it with Spiritomb from Arceus set to get set up really fast. No need for Claydols. and as an added bonus, if Nidoqueen comes out, he takes one, heals one, so no damage done. Gengar is worth the hype, and with Gengar Lv. X, it is nasty. If skuntank G is in your way, take it out with shadow room. or, bring out Mewtwo lv.X and do some major damage. Force it out and DESTROY it!

    Gengar won worlds and will always be AWESOME!!!

    • WDIF

      Claydol is needed in Gengar. It doesn’t matter how many Spiritomb you have (which does slow you down a little bit by the way). If you don’t have Claydol, you can wait for League Claydol soon. Gengar did not win worlds and was a pretty bad deck in the DP-RR Master division. Unown G protects Skuntank G and you can’t force it out (unless you play Poke Blower +).

  • Bob

    I run Mewtwo and Mewtwo Lv.X with Gengar and Nidoqueen. The Magestic Dawn one, anyway. It adds the 60 damage, 120 damage, and no damage from basics. It works really well, especially agenst SP decks and when Gengar fails. I also run it with Spiritomb from Arceus set to get set up really fast. No need for Claydols. and as an added bonus, if Nidoqueen comes out, he takes one, heals one, so no damage done. Gengar is worth the hype, and with Gengar Lv. X, it is nasty. If skuntank G is in your way, take it out with shadow room. or, bring out Mewtwo lv.X and do some major damage. Force it out and DESTROY it!

    Gengar won worlds and will always be AWESOME!!!

    • WDIF

      Claydol is needed in Gengar. It doesn’t matter how many Spiritomb you have (which does slow you down a little bit by the way). If you don’t have Claydol, you can wait for League Claydol soon. Gengar did not win worlds and was a pretty bad deck in the DP-RR Master division. Unown G protects Skuntank G and you can’t force it out (unless you play Poke Blower +).

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