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  • pikkdogs

    Ampharos is an underrated card and not used enough. But a combo with Torterra is kinda wierd.

    A 4 energy attack is not going to cut it in this game right now. In order for this deck to get set up fast enough you would need to have Torterra Lv.x on Torterra (because he needs to be a grass pokemon), then have sceptile Ge on the bench. So that means within the first couple turns you have to establish a Stage 2 Lv.x and 2 stage 2 Pokemon on the bench.

    Thats a lot to do. The 4 energy attack is just too much for this deck.

    A couple of weeks ago I thought of combining Ampharos sw (and maybe pt) with Curse Gengar and Gengar Lv.x. That would put damage counters and spread, and possibly stop pokepowers.

    That Idea might work.

  • pikkdogs

    Ampharos is an underrated card and not used enough. But a combo with Torterra is kinda wierd.

    A 4 energy attack is not going to cut it in this game right now. In order for this deck to get set up fast enough you would need to have Torterra Lv.x on Torterra (because he needs to be a grass pokemon), then have sceptile Ge on the bench. So that means within the first couple turns you have to establish a Stage 2 Lv.x and 2 stage 2 Pokemon on the bench.

    Thats a lot to do. The 4 energy attack is just too much for this deck.

    A couple of weeks ago I thought of combining Ampharos sw (and maybe pt) with Curse Gengar and Gengar Lv.x. That would put damage counters and spread, and possibly stop pokepowers.

    That Idea might work.

  • Blaine

    Torterra is a good idea, but Skarmory FB has a cheaper attack and is easier to get in play.

  • Blaine

    Torterra is a good idea, but Skarmory FB has a cheaper attack and is easier to get in play.

  • cpeterik

    You forgot to mention that Miasma Valley is a good combo with Amphy too. If your opponent benches a Baltoy, they are sealing their fate for the rest of the game. I agree that the Torterra combo, though logical, is rubbish because it is SO SLOW!! haha. that being said, Amphy is definitely an under rated card. It finds a spot in every deck Richard Lucas plays haha

  • cpeterik

    You forgot to mention that Miasma Valley is a good combo with Amphy too. If your opponent benches a Baltoy, they are sealing their fate for the rest of the game. I agree that the Torterra combo, though logical, is rubbish because it is SO SLOW!! haha. that being said, Amphy is definitely an under rated card. It finds a spot in every deck Richard Lucas plays haha

  • Willy G.

    I agree that Skarmory FB and Miasma Valley could both work much faster than Torterra, but they have their downsides as well. Skarmory FB is faster than Torterra, but it is powerless against Luxray GL Lv.X, even though it disables Bright Look. Silver Feather will not do any damage to Luxray, and Luxray can OHKO Skarmory, even with four special Metal Energies. Miasma Valley lets you use any attacker, but it doesn’t work well in the current metagame because it will not stop the Poke-Powers of Crobat, Uxie, or Supreme Victors Baltoy. I believe that these cards could be in an Ampharos deck as well, but Torterra should be built up on the Bench and then used as the main attacker.

  • Willy G.

    I agree that Skarmory FB and Miasma Valley could both work much faster than Torterra, but they have their downsides as well. Skarmory FB is faster than Torterra, but it is powerless against Luxray GL Lv.X, even though it disables Bright Look. Silver Feather will not do any damage to Luxray, and Luxray can OHKO Skarmory, even with four special Metal Energies. Miasma Valley lets you use any attacker, but it doesn’t work well in the current metagame because it will not stop the Poke-Powers of Crobat, Uxie, or Supreme Victors Baltoy. I believe that these cards could be in an Ampharos deck as well, but Torterra should be built up on the Bench and then used as the main attacker.

  • Blaine

    Luxray might OHKO Skarmory, but then you can revenge KO Luxray. A fair trade off, IMO, especially if you consider you’ve stopped Bright Look.

  • Blaine

    Luxray might OHKO Skarmory, but then you can revenge KO Luxray. A fair trade off, IMO, especially if you consider you’ve stopped Bright Look.

  • Gengar 101

    Nice article!

  • Gengar 101

    Nice article!

  • sp tool box

    Great article!

  • nardd

    Wow, skarmory FB and amphy looks like a neat combo for the metagame. I’d say 4 skarm for a starter, 2-1-2-1 gengar, and a 1-1-1 amphy line would be pretty cool. You could start getting a bunch of damage on the basics via skarmory, get a quick gengar to start sniping things, and a teched ampharos to combat the use of pokemon powers.

    If you face dialga G, just use gengar lvX! The best thing is that because the dialga is leveled up, your own ampharos won’t prevent your gengar from using its own poke-power. On the other hand, though, your amphy IS going to stop your lvX from using its power in most games :/

  • nardd

    Wow, skarmory FB and amphy looks like a neat combo for the metagame. I’d say 4 skarm for a starter, 2-1-2-1 gengar, and a 1-1-1 amphy line would be pretty cool. You could start getting a bunch of damage on the basics via skarmory, get a quick gengar to start sniping things, and a teched ampharos to combat the use of pokemon powers.

    If you face dialga G, just use gengar lvX! The best thing is that because the dialga is leveled up, your own ampharos won’t prevent your gengar from using its own poke-power. On the other hand, though, your amphy IS going to stop your lvX from using its power in most games :/

  • Blaine

    Bad thing about Gengar is, you shut down Fainting Spell yourself, and that´s what makes Gengar a threat. Against Dialga, they may lose Power, but they can simply KO Gengar without fearing Fainting Spell.

  • Blaine

    Bad thing about Gengar is, you shut down Fainting Spell yourself, and that´s what makes Gengar a threat. Against Dialga, they may lose Power, but they can simply KO Gengar without fearing Fainting Spell.

  • SMGausch

    Biggest hindrance to this deck is that it’s slow kinda like GG, but GG has lots of fun powers to speed it up like telepass. This being a set-up deck spiritomb probably goes a long way. Also unless you run gengar you really don’t have a real big hitter in the deck.

  • SMGausch

    Biggest hindrance to this deck is that it’s slow kinda like GG, but GG has lots of fun powers to speed it up like telepass. This being a set-up deck spiritomb probably goes a long way. Also unless you run gengar you really don’t have a real big hitter in the deck.

  • Spadeace

    Man this card is one that looks so good on paper but yet so underwhelming in real situations. It takes a bit of effort and resources to set this up and it is not a good attacker and its symmetrical power can do more damage to you then your opponent. Especially against smart SP players they’ll Crobat G Flash bite your Claydols and other critical powers that you would need more to stay in the game then halt their progress.

  • Spadeace

    Man this card is one that looks so good on paper but yet so underwhelming in real situations. It takes a bit of effort and resources to set this up and it is not a good attacker and its symmetrical power can do more damage to you then your opponent. Especially against smart SP players they’ll Crobat G Flash bite your Claydols and other critical powers that you would need more to stay in the game then halt their progress.

  • sp tool box

    Great article!

  • junior

    Could a pooka deck beat a deck with this monster in it what do you think.

    • Spadeace

      Yes he can, blindfolded to boot.

  • junior

    Could a pooka deck beat a deck with this monster in it what do you think.

    • Spadeace

      Yes he can, blindfolded to boot.

  • http://www.myspace.com/michaelmasacre Michael Scot Masacre

    It might be successful, but i don’t know because i usually play a uxie/crobat on my first/second turn, and i doubt you could set up Torterra that quickly. Nifty idea though, i especially like the idea of running gengar, but i think with them all three running in the same deck you would probebly have some trouble setting up. have you built this deck and tested it yet? If so i would love to play against you sometime. (michaelmasacre@yahoo/hotmail/aol/gmail)

  • http://www.myspace.com/michaelmasacre Michael Scot Masacre

    It might be successful, but i don’t know because i usually play a uxie/crobat on my first/second turn, and i doubt you could set up Torterra that quickly. Nifty idea though, i especially like the idea of running gengar, but i think with them all three running in the same deck you would probebly have some trouble setting up. have you built this deck and tested it yet? If so i would love to play against you sometime. (michaelmasacre@yahoo/hotmail/aol/gmail)

  • jimbo

    miasma valley is definitely the fastest and most consistent, combined with crobat g. manectric also works well.

  • jimbo

    miasma valley is definitely the fastest and most consistent, combined with crobat g. manectric also works well.

  • http://kennywisdom.com/ kwisdumb

    Some odd ideas here, but I had always secretly hoped that this card could see more play.

  • http://kennywisdom.com kwisdumb

    Some odd ideas here, but I had always secretly hoped that this card could see more play.

  • Gman

    Why not just combo this card with Ampharos SW it also has a nice pokebody, everytime your opponent uses a supporter, which I know every deck has, put 1 damage counter on each of your opponent’s pokemon, that way you could do a straight Ampharos deck, maybe 1 Ampharos SW and 3 Ampharos PL, just a thought

  • Gman

    Why not just combo this card with Ampharos SW it also has a nice pokebody, everytime your opponent uses a supporter, which I know every deck has, put 1 damage counter on each of your opponent’s pokemon, that way you could do a straight Ampharos deck, maybe 1 Ampharos SW and 3 Ampharos PL, just a thought

  • poke fart

    COOL,I have never seen a Torterra deck before.

  • poke fart

    COOL,I have never seen a Torterra deck before.

  • pokefan1234

    wouldn't Nidoqueen help protect Claydols from Crobats?

  • pokefan1234

    wouldn't Nidoqueen help protect Claydols from Crobats?

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